weird-ass units

**Steppe Merc** · 06-05-2005, 22:39

Then how do you explain the totally different styles of warfare? And I really don't get what your saying... most of them are either allies of Macedon (thus just as biased as Dimosthenis, and didn't really have much of a choice). And if Dimosthenis being half Scythian discredits him, then where does that leave a Persian King?)
Besides, wasn't Macedon exlcuded from many of the wars and treaties of the other city states?

And just out of curosity, why is it always the foriegn historians that are wrong, about Macedon as well as Greek language and other things? Are Greeks always right about the land they live in's history, and everyone else is obviously wrong? If so, why?

**Shigawire** · 06-05-2005, 23:18

In any case, no need to defend the "greekness" of a people that lived at the same place you do. Especially as that was 2300 years ago. The ethnicities who live in Macedonia today are quite dissimilar to the phenotypes present in Macedonia at the time of Alexandros and Philippos. Anthropological studies of skulls (and of course the odd marble busts), show that at a certain point in history, foreign ethnicities displaced the inhabitants of Macedon. This was the Slavs and the Bulgars who started to move in. Then the Huns, Ostrogoths etc. Don't pretend the original Macedonians are somehow in kinship with you, since that is not given.

In any case, prior to Philippos and Alexandros, the Greeks excluded the Macedonians from the "Greek" label. It doesn't matter if the Macedonians thought of themselves as Greeks.. We all know they spoke the same language, in different dialects, but the subjective opinion of the Greeks was such that they considered the Macedonians as 'barbarians' - not entirely accepted into the 'greek' club.

**Steppe Merc** · 06-05-2005, 23:19

Today's Greeks also certaintly have different ethnicities mixed in.

**Sarcasm** · 06-05-2005, 23:28

Somehow, "Pandora's Box" keeps coming to mind....

**Idomeneas** · 06-05-2005, 23:47

Do we really have to start this? Is it so difficult for anyone to see how greek mentality of these days with city states worked? And if those legendary allien Mcedonians were convinietly (*sp?) no greek where are their scriptures where are their unic monuments? Why all including a resent calendar find are in greek language and has the same customs? About dialects thats something common even today! Try to speak with a highlander of Crete! if you understand anything write me!

50 years of propaganda and an american recognition are not enough to erase history. Thats my opinion and you all know what i mean. Lets end it here.

**Reverend Joe** · 06-06-2005, 05:52

KHELVAN! LOCK DOWN THIS THREAD QUICKLY! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

Seriously, let's not start this, please. Every thread here is very interesting until all the fights start. Then we end up with incredibly long, obscure refrences, fights about 3,000-year old history, and unbelieveably irritating mudslinging. And in the end, it doesn't accomplish everything, because everyone ends up either pissed of and unconvinced or bored and irritated. So stop it now, for the sake of everyone else here.