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Thanks shambles. I'm glad that there are still people who support me. Seeing this thread was a great disappointment for me. I have always tried to behave nice and helpful here, and never intended any harm in any of my posts.

Also thanks to R'as, Quietus, 2ddragon and Ser clegane.

I second that - good points Shambles.

The issue is being handled and I am sure that what happened in the Frontroom was only a temporary "spamming peak".
Some spamming and good fun threads will always be part of the Frontroom - as much as heated discussions will always be part of the Backroom. Problems start to arise when things get out of hand and normal threads/discussions start to suffer.

As for drisos - if you take a look at the Sword Dojo, you will see that a good chunk of his (actually not that staggeringly high) postcount has nothing to do with spamming

Testify! - you find the time to slander folks now find the time to apologise - oh and in future like ShambleS said straighten your facts out first!

I have to agree, Drisos doesn't really spam the frontroom as much as you people up on your little clouds of perfection would like to think. I'm not going to name names, but it is actually someone else who does the evil deed of spam.

I agree with Mikeus.About the spamming,I would really like to know what is considered as spamming?Because i have been very active here in Forums lately and posting a lot,so am i a spammer.The only reason why i have posted so much is simply that i like it in here.

I want to agree with the people who said that my spamming was an isolated incident, I think that I was a bit drunk from a party on thursday night (no classes on Friday). I am not trying to excuse what I did. The main reason that I have 8.4 posts per day is because on Friday I made around 180 - 200 posts. Seeing as I joined around 90 days ago, this increases my posts per day by at least two.

Some people in this thread complained about names being named. I do not see any problem with people being name. The mods and admins will never be able to address the problems that are brought up here without discussing specific people. All posters should be able to take responsibility for their posts (yeah, I know that some smart @$$ will tell me to read my first paragraph, but I am not trying to say there that it isn't my fault, only explaining how/why it happened.). If people are innocent, then they should not be afraid to be called to the stand and be examined, because they will be found innocent by the review, and let to go without any trouble.
My spamming would likely have not been noticed if it took place over several days, or weeks. I have probably been unfairly singled out as a spammer, because of the highly visible nature of the offense.

Also, why does it matter what my gender is? One of the beautiful aspects of the internet is that one can, for the most part, remain gender-neutral, and escape the stereotyping and sexism that all people apply to each other in the real world.

If there is anything that I can do to help with the spam problem, I will do my best to do that.

You may now all bow to the floor and thank me for gracing your thread with my precense. *floats slowing into the ether*

Regards,

Prince Laridus Konivaich

Shambles is right, and brings up once again a point that I've tried to make several times in the past: if you have an issue with something, direct your criticism at the issue of what has been said, not who said it!

I have a problem with "Pointless Polls." GOOD
I have a problem with Drisos and his "Pointless Polls" NOT SO GOOD
Drisos is a bloody 'tard with all his "Pointless Polls" BAD

The mods are quite keen and can easily determine if discipline is in order for the person responsible for creating an issue. When it comes to "who," they are the ones to speak. Unlike a lot of us, they tend to be more aware of a member's overall contributions to the board.

Yes Drisos has posted some pretty wacky posts--but many patrons have enjoyed them. He makes quality contributions to the Sword Dojo regularly, and goes out of his way to welcome new members and encourage their participation constantly (which is more than many of us can say we do ...). When judging someone's "quality of membership," it really is important to look at the big, overall picture. The mods are, of course, in the best position to do this.

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Nice to see self control and strength of character behind all that happy, enthusiastic friendliness, Drisos. You stood up for yourself without getting out of hand. Well done. Also nice to see other patrons standing up for fairness, etc., in this thread.

First of all, I named no names, and that was intentional.
Secondly, the point of my post was not to single out individuals and yell "Stone 'em to death !", but instead:
- to point out that it is an issue for me
- to see if other people share my feelings, or I am just wacky and imagining things, or I am oversensitive
- if other people feel the same way, we can do something about it.

I've also suggested some of the things I thought might be useful: isolating spam threads, creating a subforum, etc.

The solution is definitely not banning people, and I'd like to point out that I've never even hinted at this. Please re-read my original post. I'm sorry it has gotten that far. There is no need for such immediate drastic measures at all.

Another reason I made this post is because I'm sure some of the posters were not even aware others may qualify their posts as spam, and simply raising the issue may solve the problem. Everyone is entitled to the benefit of the doubt, after all.

I'm pretty sure that now that BKS is back things will go back to normal and we'll get back to living like a big happy family.

And, Tosa, I believe this thread has served its purpose, and you may close it at your discretion. Thank you.

I would like to apologize to Drisos, I was wrong to single you out as you were/are not the worst spammer, but that does not mean I support your 4 pointless polls. Sorry about exaggerating the numbers, I was boggled by the number of polls in the frontroom and made a mistake.

Also I do not spam and have only visited and posted in spam threads a few times, the God/Burrito thread but not its offshoot(s) to my knowledge, the one word story a few times, the what music thread a few times and possibly a few I have not remembered. The reason I have many posts is because I post in almost every subforum and make 8-11 posts a day. I attempt to make every post relevant and try to have each have some meaning. My post count comes from at least 95% (possibly more) non-spam posts. Another reason why I have more psots is I joined the first of November and Drisos joined the 29th, not the only reason, but still an important one.

One reason I may have been voerly harsh is it has been hot over here and I am sorry for allowing that to affect my temperment, I will ensure to check my reasons more thoroughly if I ever name names again, but I will avoid to in the future.

Again sorry Drisos, it was not you for the most pat and however absurd your polls were they were few in number and because of that, in my now rectified opinion, not a problem.

EDIT: I added to this post...

I think the reason the whole gender thing came up was because of your well...err...unique avatar

any way, i think there should be a "friends don't let friends post drunk" video in addition to "posting and YOU"

I've been away for a few days and missed this, but since I consider myself a Frontroom patron I'll add a little

First remember that not everybody agrees on the definition of spam. We have people from many different coutnries and cultures, of various ages and educational/social backgrounds.

Second, the Frontroom is supposed to be a fun place.

Third, postcount shouldn't matter. Join Date may be a matter of pride, but it shouldn't matter much either.


TBH I have been thinking along the same lines as Blodrast . There are a lot of spam threads, but, to me the bigger problem is when spam replies take a decent thread off-topic (the dreaded SpamJacking).

I do not like the idea of a separate Spam Room.

Just ask yourself, is this post worth making? Is it funny, informative, or does it provide good eedback to the other members? If not, maybe it doesnt need to be made.

ichi

ps very nice to see this handled in a civilized manner, the Org is home to many good people

Apologies accepted, Uesugi Kenshin. I was quite mad at you after seeing your first posts and said things I don't really mean. I appeciate your work in the SJ:TW mod and understand why you have higher postcount then me.(and I don't mind yours is higher, because postcount isn't important ) I'm also glad it didn't end in a fight.

King Henry V, please apologize too. I think you made some mistakes, and you thought I was the one behind all frontroom spam threads. If you consider having fun about pointless polls as spam, OK. But don't exxagorate things.

The defenition of SPAM in my eyes: A post with no other purpose then to increase post count.

Do you people agree with that? I'd like to know, and it would help preventing spam if everyone knew exactly what it is.

Kagemuscha, no! You are certainly no spammer, you're only being enthusiast, m8! Keep it up!

drisos

drisos I agree with your definition of spam. I'm even reluctant to call some threads like the Burrito/God thread, the what are you listening to thread, the beat the person above you thread etc. spam, they're just people having some fun.

You also had the Pantless poll didn't you, I thought that one was pretty funny

I agree with you, these aren't spam, and I encourage threads like this-they're good fun, and post-count enhancing at the same time. It's threads and polls that are complete nonsense I object to. I mean, I'm very much a poacher-turned-gamekeeper-I had the most posts in the original one word story-and so I like to think I know where the boundaries are. I try to be fair, and if anyone thinks that isn't the case, please tell me about it.

@ Uesugi Kenshi: I know you are not a spammer, and I have indeed seen you at a lot of subforums.

I am active at a lot of too, so I have don't have much spam posts either.


EDIT: Thanks doc_bean! I am glad to hear of more people they did enjoy at least some of my threads.

don't panic, you do have a heart.

I've always tried a little to keep my post count down, as the frontroom is my online haven. A seperate spamming forum may just be the answer.

What would be the purpose of such a forum, i.e. what would be the motivation for anybody to spam in a dedicated spamming forum?

Why wouldn't there be motivation for them to spam in their forum?

Well it would give them a chance to all spam together because for dedicated spammers they like to brag about it. So they can brag by spamming.

And with a forum all to themselves they will not need to regularly clutter up the .Org's serious threads.

Well, there are dedicated spam threads in the Frontroom - nevertheless spammers still seem to feel the urge not only to start additional spam threads but also to spam threads that were started for another purpose.

It seems to me that the hallmark of a "real" spammer is not to limit spamming to the places were it would be acceptable.

Exactly, so if we gave them their own forum it would be more-or-less fine.

Exactly right, no arguments from me there...

I don't know how the .org should deal with spammers. . .

I do know that after some thinking I think it is best not to create a 'spam' subforum. Would that be an intresting forum? I don't think so. People would create as much very short and pointless posts as they can, what purpose whould that have?

I think people who keep invading serious threads with spam should be (temporarily) banned, but only from the forum where they did the spamming.

Though I cannot name any of these . . . and I wouldn't if I could.

I hope there will be a good solution soon.

I think i'm alone on this one, so I shall sit and watch the forums fill up with spam...

I think that once you ban spammers (even temporally) It will be like picking fleas off a dog's back.Once you get rid of them, more will come to take their place.

Weird... All this happened on my break from the .org !

I came on briefly once or twice but I only visited the RTW Guides (I needed a bit of help with my campaign), but the "outbreak" happened while I was away.

Just thought that I'd point that out to those that think I'm a spammer.

Glad to see it's coming under control now though.

Same here, but i have been brooding over this for a long time. When I got back from a long holiday I saw this had happened and jumped at the chance.

Well, I'm not necessarily advocating a spam forum, but here's the reasoning I went through when thinking about the idea:

Some people like to spam, but it annoys many others. A solution that satifies both parties is to redirect spam to an area where those who enjoy it can enjoy it, while others who don't can easily avoid it. The creation of a spam forum does this. It solves the problem without "depriving" anyone of a form enjoyment (I realize there are already some threads where spamming is allowed; but the problem still arose, so ...).

A spam forum is like an aikido redirection of energy: it restores harmony without "hurting" anyone. The only costs (aside from bandwith and database space) are that it would need to be set up, and would require a moderator to assure that policy is still enforced. The benefits are, spammers have a place to do what they like to do without irritating those who don't like spam. It also provides a place to move spam threads from other forums--an action that will likely be perceived as less "authoritarian" than closing or deleting threads and reprimanding.

I do not see any need in a spam forum. As Ser Clegane pointed out, even if we did do such a thing, people would spam outside of the dedicated forum just to get attention. The full example of which has already been shown. There are dedicated spam threads in the frontroom and some people still felt the need to spam out of them. Therefore I fail to see how a new forum could make a single difference. Aside from waste bandwhith and dataspace. BKS has the problem under control and deserves to be commended for doing so; there's not a problem in the frontroom anymore.

Therefore, seeing as the problem is solved, i believe we should move on. Will there be spammers on the .org? Sure, all forums have their share. But the .org also has a dedicated staff to handle such things from getting out of hand. Only when one is absent does it get a little messy, and as you can see; it's all been brought back into line.

Perhaps making post counts invisible would solve the problem.

I don't think we should have a spam forum. While the isolationist theory is nice, it doesn't work, when I was younger (heh) I used to frequent some 'pointless' newsgroups, after a while everyone just got tired of the useless spamming and flaming of eachother and other newsgroup were invaded (actual invasions and wars were fought, ah, the good old days of usenet...).

Point being: a spam forum only attracts spammers and encourages spamming. And a group of spammers is a VERY unstable entity that i would rather not keep around the Org.

GAH! clayton is at it again!

Clayton has apparently just sent out a few "death threats." At least thats what Beserker says.

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