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    Dear cegorach1,
    You found nothing because as everybody know Serbia and Montenegro didn't existed then! They were under Ottoman Empire. Serbs served for Austrian Empire in so called "Military Krajina" (Serbian Vojna granica, German Militärgrenze) and they were directly under Austrian command from Vienna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
    Dear cegorach1,
    You found nothing because as everybody know Serbia and Montenegro didn't existed then! They were under Ottoman Empire. Serbs served for Austrian Empire in so called "Military Krajina" (Serbian Vojna granica, German Militärgrenze) and they were directly under Austrian command from Vienna.


    Well... according to what I know Montenegro wasn't really conquered - it was 'a fighting teocracy' and had several minor clashes with the Ottomans.
    In fact in 1648 a large venetian force landed there and supported local army - both were crushed in the next year.

    As far as I know this clan society had a guerilla-like forces - more like brigands - but I am looking for pictures,images anything - which can't be found outside the Montenegro (or Serbia), I believe.
    Besides I will need some names of office titles and units - both in Serbo-Croat language ( I don't know it), because in PMTW we are using names in national languages with english descriptions and as far as I think it works really well.

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    There is no Serbo-Croat language. Now there are Serbian and Croatian.

    About Montenegro - they fall under Ottomans in 1499. They were some kind of theocracy, nut latter - vladika (archbishop) was ruler. And they want clan society, they were union of tribes (Crna Gora i Brda).

    Officeres in Montenegro - the main was serdar - I think that's in rank of colonel. There wes also classical officer kapetan (captain).

    About pictures - there is nothing on net. I'm searching but I found nothing. Maybe I have in some book? Who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
    There is no Serbo-Croat language. Now there are Serbian and Croatian.

    >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry In Polish we use thus term, so I thought it is true in general.

    About Montenegro - they fall under Ottomans in 1499. They were some kind of theocracy, nut latter - vladika (archbishop) was ruler. And they want clan society, they were union of tribes (Crna Gora i Brda).

    Officeres in Montenegro - the main was serdar - I think that's in rank of colonel. There wes also classical officer kapetan (captain).

    >>>>>>>>> Honestly I thought about OFFICE titles - like in the Medieval TW - these would be useful for MTW edition of PMTW. I am going to add Montenegro in 'late' part of our mod.
    Any proposals would be useful. The same goes with ancilliaries for RTW edition.

    About pictures - there is nothing on net. I'm searching but I found nothing. Maybe I have in some book? Who knows?
    >>>>>>>>>>> I hope you will find something. I am really looking forward to it
    One guy from Serbia found something, but he is unable/unwilling to send anything - I asked him twice, but there was no answer

    Another thing - if you have heard about a notable historical hero/villian useful for Montenegro please give me the information - this guy will appear for sure !
    Currently there are 60+ heroes in PMTW 1.0 ( 30 for Poland - but I had more than 80 proposals) and at this moment I am gathering info about more guys for other factions - at this moment I have 20 new ( Irish, English, Scottish, German etc).
    There are more than 30 factions in PMTW for MTW and the maximum for heroes is 30 per faction. I want to have as many as possible

    My regards and I hope you will find something

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