Arthurian : Total War

[Ianofsmeg16]

I agree with Arthur only being a warlord and historical sources tell us that at that period many people named there sons either Arthur or Arturius after a prominent WARLORD ath that time cant remember where i read that.
And btw i found info that says the isle of Man (or ynys manaw) was independant under Manannan and his offspring from 500 until about 650-675 A.D so an independant manx country isnt so far fetched.

[Agraes]

See below for an updated list
FACTION LIST

BRITONS (Christian)
- South Britons, and if we can those who follows we be put as emerging factions during the game : Dumnonia and/or Powys and/or Dyfed and/or Gwent plus 2-3 continental kingdoms
- North Britons, the same with Gododdin and/or Ebrauc and/or Elmet and/or Gwynedd and/or Strathclyde and/or Rheged

IRISH (Christian)
- Gaëls
- Scots

PICTS
- North Picts ? (Pagans, converted by Columba around 550)
- South Picts ? (Christians about this date and the conversion by St Ninnian)

GERMANS
- Saxons (Pagans)
- Angles (Pagans)
- Jutes ? (Pagans)
- Franks (Christians during the reign of Clovis)
- Wisigoths ? (Aryans Christians)

OTHERS
- Gallo-Romans ? (maybe only rebels)

So we got 8 basic factions, who can be extended to 21.

PROVINCES LIST

BRITAIN, Pictland :
- Cat - ?
- Fidach - ?
- Ce - ?
- Circind - ?
- Fotla - ?
- Fortiu - ?
- Fib - ?
- Orkney - ?

BRITAIN, Scots :
- Dal Riada - Dunad?
- Iona - Iona
maybe the differents 'Cenell' like Cenell Gabrain, Cenell Aengus...

BRITAIN, Gwyr y Goggled :
- Strathclyde - Dun Breatann
- Galwyddel (Galloway) - ?
- Manau - ?
- Gododdin - Din Eidyn
- Bryneich - ?
- Caer Wenddoleu - Caer Wenddoleu
- Ebrauc - Caer Ebrauc/Eboracum
- North Penines - ?
- South Penines - ?
- North Rheged - Carlisle
- South Rheged - ?
- Goddeu - ?
- Elmet - ?
- Gwynedd - Dinas Emrys or Din Conwy
- Rhos - ?
- Ynis Manaw - ?
- Mona - ?

BRITAIN, South Britons :
- Dumnonia - ? (lot of differents interestings places)
- Kernyw (for me only exist after the battle of Dyrham, about 570 ) - Isca or Tintagel
- Llyonesse (a bit too legendary ?) - ?
- Glastenning - ?
- Ynis Weith - ?
- Caer Baddan - Badd/Baddon/Badon/Aquae Sulis
- Caer Gwinntguic - ?
- Caer Celomion - ?
- Caer Lundein - Caer Lundein/Londinium
- Caer Ceri - ?
- Caer Gloui - Caer Gloui/Glouvia
- Pengwern - ?
- Gwent - Caerleon-upon-Uisc/Caer Legionis
- Ergyng - ?
- Glywising - ?
- Dyfed/Demetia - Caer Myrddin/Carmarthen
- Brycheiniog - ?
- Ceredigion - ?
- Builth - ?
- Powys - Luggvale?

BRITAIN, Saxons :
- Regia - ?
- Sussex - ?
- Wessex - ?
- Kent (Juts) - ?
- Tanet Island (Juts) - ?
- Colun?

BRITAIN, Angles :
- Anglia - ?
- Fens - ?
- Mercia - ?
- Lindsey - ?
- Deira - ?

IRELAND, Scots :
- Uladh
+ differents cenells

IRELAND, Gaëls :
- Laigin -
- Connacht -
- Mide - Tara
- Mumhan - ?

GAUL, South Britons :
- Cornouailles/Kernyw/Civitas Ossismi (maybe 2 provinces) - Vorgium/Carhaez
- Domnonée/Civitas Coriosoliti - Alet
- Bro-Erec/Civitas Veneti - Vannes/Gwened (stay independant to the early VIIth century)

GAUL, Franks and/or Gallo-Romans
- Civitas Riedones - Rennes/Condate
- mmm much others civitas, as you can see there http://img30.echo.cx/img30/8679/gaule4dk.jpg

GAUL, Wisigoths :
- Civitas Namneti - Nantes
- Civitas Pictones - ?

Ok, this is for the moment, I will add unit list later.

[Agraes]

Ok, first unit list ! Keep in mind that we must modify it when we got the unit list of BI for Romano-British, Celts, Saxons and Franks !

See below for an updated list
UNIT LIST

BRITONS UNITS :
Cavalry :
- Heavy cavalry
- Contus cavalry (Sarmatian's inspired cavalry with long spear but no shield and heavy armor)
- Mounted skirmishers
- Light cavalry
- Dumnonian cavalry (need to control Domnonia)
- Llydaw cavalry (need to control Brittany)
- Clan cavalry

Infrantry :
- Heavy spearmen
- Light spearmen
- Clan spearmen
- Clan warriors
- Foederati Infrantry (unit of the expansion, armed with spear)
- Britons Legionnaries
- Llydaw Blackshields (need to control Brittany)
- Peasants

Bowmen and skirmishers :
- Bowmen
- Skirmisher
- Slinger
- Mountain raider (like the Welsh Bandit of Viking Invasion)

IRISH UNITS :
Cavalry :
- Clan cavalry
- Light cavalry
- Fianna cavalry ?

Infantry :
- Heavy spearmen
- Light spearmen
- Pikemen
- Gallowglasses
- Clan warriors
- Clan spearmen
- Highlanders?
- Bonnachts
- Fianna infantry ?

Bowmen and skirmishers :
- Kerns
- Dartmen
- Slingers

PICTISH UNITS :
Cavalry :
- Pictish cavalry
- Light cavalry

Infantry :
- Spearmen
- Berserkers like's Warriors
- Clan Warriors
- Highlanders ?
- Pictish Peasants
- Pictish females
- Miathi Warriors

Bowmen and skirmishers :
- Crossbowmen ?
- Pictish bowmen
- Pictish Skirmishers
- Miathi Skirmishers

WISIGOTHS UNITS :
Mmm no real idea for the moment.

FRANKS UNITS :
Same, will see with the units of the xpack !

SAXONS/ANGLES UNITS :
Cavalry :
- Light cavalry
- Saxon raiders

Infrantry :
- Heavy spearmen
- Light spearmen
- Berskerkers
- Axemen
- Fyrdmen
- Ulfserks
- Huskarls (general unit)

Skirmishers :
- Skirmisher
- Slinger

Others :
- War Hounds

MERCENARY/REBELS UNITS :
- Frison Pirats
- Juts Warriors
- Irish Warband
- ...

Some pictures will come...

[Myrddraal]

I started work on a campaign map for an arthurian mod ages ago. I'll see if I can find it for you. It went north up to the wall north of hadrians wall (whats it called?), down so that it included Aremorica and the north of the Franc territory, and half of Ireland

[Epistolary Richard]

I think that's the Antonine Wall.

[Ianofsmeg16]

The wall of antoninius pius, oooh go me!

[Agraes]

I started work on a campaign map for an arthurian mod ages ago. I'll see if I can find it for you. It went north up to the wall north of hadrians wall (whats it called?), down so that it included Aremorica and the north of the Franc territory, and half of Ireland

Looks very interesting, but we will need entire Ireland and Pictland also
And that's very kind of you

But the map can be extended West, I will ask Supertw for it. Aniway we cant finish the map before BI is out.

[Ianofsmeg16]

BRITAIN, Gwyr y Goggled...
- Ynis Manaw - ?

Ynys manaw - Either Bally Cashtal(castletown) or Cashtal Rosien(Castle Rushen, which is the citadel in castletown)

[Agraes]

As people on TWC also ask me to put several briton kingdoms I will do it

This is the scenario : Arthur is the new king of Domnonia, but he is also the high king of the Britons ! But a lot of others britons kingdoms have claimed their autonomy since the death of Emrys Gwledig, the uncle of Arthur and the last high king, or Amherawdyr. Arthur - and his successors - have to re-unite south britain under one king, to face Saxons !
The Domnonians will control Domnonia, Kernyw, Gwent, Glywising, Caer Lundein, Caer Glew, and Brittany !
I think give to this faction the control of continental territories seems interesting, cause they will got another main front facing Franks and Wisigoths.

[Ianofsmeg16]

Sounds good to me! all we need now is the map and we can get started proper, oh and a skinner etc...

[Agraes]

Well I think that we cant finish the map before BI is out, cause there will be several modifications added by CA in BI, but I hope we can begun the work on it (on the .tga).
If somebody want to skin some units, he can also do it... but for the moment, not the main units who may be presents in the x-pack. I have ordered 3 Osprey books (Pictish Warrior, Arthur and the Anglo-Saxon Wars, Anglo-Saxon Thegn) and I will probably order 3 history books (but there are a little expensive ) :
- Age of Arthur, John Morris
- Arthur's Britain, Leslie Alcock
- Origines de la Bretagne, Léon Fleuriot

And as I have said, I need :
- Pictish specialists
- Saxons specialists
- Irish specialists

but I also accept any welsh specialist in the team. So say clearly if you want to join my team and what you wanna do in the team (historical research, codding, skinning, mapping, modeling...). You can contact me on MSN (agraes1@aol.com) or on my mail adress : agraes@wanadoo.fr

And remember I am also working at this time on Gallia : Total War, based on RTW vanilla

[beauchamp21]

Awsome, idea, i think we should have a constant like Druidic/pagan vs. incoming christian feud, like in mists of Avalon