Provinces

**Jarlabanke** · 06-06-2005, 23:16

What exact borders will Samiland have, there was/is a town called Höggom quite
a bit far upp the coastline.

**Rodion Romanovich** · 06-07-2005, 10:33

Originally Posted by Jarlabanke

What exact borders will Samiland have, there was/is a town called Höggom quite
a bit far upp the coastline.

It'll reach very far south too. Province borders don't matter much, if there are only good cities the province borders can be adapted to them, although if the city you're talking about is very far up, no adjustments would probably be needed. I have a quite detailed map of all modern Europe countries so if you could mention a city near where Höggom was located, that would be helpful.

**Jarlabanke** · 06-07-2005, 15:46

Höggom was pretty much where Sundsvall is today.
Also, about Svealand and Uppland. As it is today Uppland is a part of Svealand. Back then Uppland didn't exist as a region but was divided into several smaller provinces, at least about AD 1000 further back, no one's really sure. Further more the area around Uppsala was the center of Svealand so having another part called Svealand is a bit strange.

**Rodion Romanovich** · 06-07-2005, 16:45

Originally Posted by Jarlabanke

Höggom was pretty much where Sundsvall is today.
Also, about Svealand and Uppland. As it is today Uppland is a part of Svealand. Back then Uppland didn't exist as a region but was divided into several smaller provinces, at least about AD 1000 further back, no one's really sure. Further more the area around Uppsala was the center of Svealand so having another part called Svealand is a bit strange.

Yes, but the cities matter more than the provinces. Birka and Upsala both need to be included. If possible I'll change Svealand and Upland to something else. I've heard names such as Tiundaland etc., but those weren't in use until later than 1000 AD or something like that, and were also based on the king's recruiting system afaik. Therefore it's perhaps not the best name for describing the region.

**Jarlabanke** · 06-07-2005, 20:22

As you said Tiundaland, Attundaland and Fjärdhundraland, are thought to have developed during AD 1000, but Uppland on the other hand is even newer. The fact that they're bound to the recruitment didn't keep the sagas from using them and I don't see how anyone else should be.
However, it's not their use I'm argueing for, but more that you'd call the province with Uppsala Svealand or Svithjod and the one including Birka something else, maybe Södermanland.

**Ranika** · 06-12-2005, 21:08

The capitol of Dal Riada was Dunadd. The Irish name of Meath is Midhe, and Tara is Teamhair or Teamhaidh. The Irish faction should not be based in Midhe and Ulaid, they should start in the west. It was a king from Munster that ended up uniting most of Ireland. The region of 'Orkney' as you describe would probably be rebel, as it was the Kingdom of the Hebrides, but it was a puppet of a kingdom in Scandinavia, so you could do it as Norway or as rebel just as well.

**Keba** · 06-13-2005, 11:13

Serbia was called Rashka at that time, it was beginning to be called Serbia in the 12th century AD and later. My sources do not mention the capital, although I would recommend using Doclea, located in Montenegro, as Rashka was under Zetan (the name of the country at that time) control.

Like I said earlier, the Croatian capital would be Klis (the traditional seat of the dukes in the 8th and 9th century), immediately north of Spalato. If you used Zara, the province would have to be Byzantine, as Zara was a Byzantine city.

**Rodion Romanovich** · 06-13-2005, 12:58

Originally Posted by Jarlabanke

As you said Tiundaland, Attundaland and Fjärdhundraland, are thought to have developed during AD 1000, but Uppland on the other hand is even newer. The fact that they're bound to the recruitment didn't keep the sagas from using them and I don't see how anyone else should be.
However, it's not their use I'm argueing for, but more that you'd call the province with Uppsala Svealand or Svithjod and the one including Birka something else, maybe Södermanland.

Ok, I agree Uppland and Svealand/Svithjod is a little illogical, but I don't have a map with exact border drawings of Tiundaland, Attundaland and Fjärdhundraland. Have you got one?

**Jarlabanke** · 06-13-2005, 16:29

http://www.geocities.com/forfader/fo...lanningar.html
This article also states that "Folkländera" was used back then as a name for all of them combined. If that's true then that would probably be the best name for a region including them all. I have somewhere, a book with very good maps of Sweden and information on the areas etc, but I'll probably not get my hands on it in a while, and there's a chance I've lost it completly.