Tech trees

[Ranika]

A more general mercenary; of Gaelic origin, but worked a lot of places, from about 750 into the early Renaissance; in English 'The Green Harpers'. Could be present in much of western Europe, maybe eastern Europe even (they were generally criminals, who joined the 'Green Harpers' of Leinster, which worked over a pretty wide area). I know I put out a lot of Gaelic stuff, but, it's what I know.

Uaincruitalthan; could use any Gaelic 'regular' model, but instead of a padded or leather coat, texture it to look like chain armor though. Maybe axemen of some kind.

Just a thought, since getting mercenaries that aren't generic but work over a wide area may be difficult.

[Incongruous]

Yeah restricting the banner to Green, Red yellow and black trimmed with white fur would be good.
Oh and the Magyars were not Nomads, they had settled pasturial and agricultural settlements. A group of Magyars known as the White Magyars had been living in the Carpathian basin since A.D632, they had an advanced agricultural society by the time the Arppadian or Black Magyars came to EWyrop in the late 800's A.D.

[Incongruous]

Ok here goes the cavalry.
Note: Magyar cavalry should be bettter than the horse archers depicted in RTW. These guys wereb't defeated for over a century remember.

Cavalry.

Néptörzs Magyar. These fierce fighters from the Taranian plain shook Europe to its core, their ferociaty and skill with the bow and sabre allowed them to defeat every enemy they encountered for over a century, while the Englisc would dread the sails of the Viking keels, the rest of Europe would dread the thunder of Magayar hooves. "From the Magyars' arrows deliver us, oh God!". These horse archers would wear a knee lenght tunic of red and yellow cloth covered by a leather cuirass. Their boot were tough leather and went all the way up to the thighs. They wore leather bands around their hands to protect their fingers from the bow's lasserations. Their helmet was pointed iron with a horse hair crest of red upon it. Their horses had leather and scail protection and their stirrups allowed them great mobility upon the field.

Néptörzs Khabars. These tribesmen split off from the main Khazar community and joined the Magyar federation in search of a better home. They would wear a green knee length tunic and knee length leather boot along with a leather pointed cap rimmed with fur. They carried the Magyar recurve bow and the curved sabre. Their horse would of had only leather padding. These men are some of the fastest cavalry around, but lack armour.

To Second Rung.

Magyars ból a Alföld. These Magyars enjoy the benefits of technology and wealth. They wear a red and yellow knee length tunic under a sleeveless fir trimmed green jacket. Their boots are knee length and leather trimmed with white fur. They wear black leather gloves on their hands. They carry, a recurve bow and a sabre. Their horses are protected by scale and leather padding armour.

Nyugatra Avar. These Avars are all that remains of the people that once stormed forth from the Taranian plain. But they are still deadly. They would wear a chain mail hauberk and thigh lenght leather boots, a steel "Frankik" helmet with nose guard and eyepieces. These men would carry a long spear and a kite shield. Their horses had scale and leather padding/armour. These men are the earliest form of Magyar heavy cavalry.

Nagy Székely. These are the last nobles of the western Branch of the Huns, they are a proud race who ache for better times, they see the coming of their Magyar bretheren as their salavation. "They thought the scourge gone, but it was only drawing breath". These men wear black and grey furs over a cote of mail. Their helmets have developed from Rus and Hunnic designs, the result is a truly fearsome look. A pionted steel helm rimmed with black or grey wolf fur, it has a nose guard and eyepieces, a chain mail neck guard covers all of the face and neck save the eyes, atop this helm is a black horse hair plume. They wear chain and leather boots and and gloves, they carry the dreaded recurve bow as a secondry weapon, their main weapon is the dreaded double headed hun battle axe, at the tip of its head are hooks which they use to catch routers or pull other cavalrymen from their saddles. They also carry a round wooden shield coverd with leather and rimmed with steel. Their horses have scale armour covered with a black and grey fur horse coat. These men were called the scourge of god for good reason.

To Third Rung.

Lovasság ból a Fejedelem. These are the lesser nobles of a "prince's" tribe, some would even be his family. After seeing what heavily armoured horse could do the Magyar princes started to equip themselves and their retainers with heavy mail hauberks, they also started to put heavy scail-mail armour on their horses. These men wear a rich green and yellow thigh length tunic over a (long sleeved) knee length mail hauberk, there boots are still of leather as are their gloves. They wear the same helmet as the Nagy Székely except they have a green horse pleum instaed. They carry the recurve bow, and a larger version of the Magayar sabre. They are lead into battle by a prince, who would be wearing a lavish red and yellow cloak over a chainmail hauberk, they would wear black leather boots and gloves. They carry a recurve bow and a a sabre. Upon their heads they wear a steel frankik helm with a steel crouwn on it, atop this they would have a plume of red and yellow horse hair and three black feathers. Their horses are armoured exactly the same way as their men.

Lovasság ból a Alföld. These heavy lancers of the Pannonian plain are the second arm of the Magyar heavy cavalry wing. Armoured with a round wooden shield covered with leather and rimmed with steal, plate-mail, and a Frankik helm with nose guard and chain mail coif along with chain mail gloves. armed with a strong heavy lance and a sabre. Their horses are armoured with scail and leather padding. These men are part of the new Magyar cavalry wing, a heavy westernised lancer, they do not use the bow. These men have the edge over their western counterparts as they have more experiance because of almost constant warfare with Byzantium and the Bulgars for near a hundred years.

To Fourth Rung

Nemes ból a Palota. These nople of the palace have been selected from the highest nobles in the realm and have sworn undying alliegence to the Kende.
These men like the Magyars ból Buda are armed and armoured in the modern Frankik way, they are infact "pagan" versions of mounted knights. They bring onto the fiels the sacred banner of the Turul. When these men charge staraight at you, then you will know true fear, each and everyone hase been riding a horse since the age of four, they are the devil on horseback.

Pata ból a Kende. These men are the chosen warriors from among all the peoples of the Magyar fedarate, they wear plate and mail armour, a mail coif and gloves. Their helmet are the same as Lovasság ból a Fejedelem except thier plume is white. They carry a large Magyar sabre, a recurve bow and a kite shield. Their horses are armoured with chain-mail and then have a white horse coat over it. These men wear a red coat trimmed with white fur.
They are led into battle by the Kende (sumpreme chief/king) this man would wear plait armor and chainmail, a steel frankik helm, atop which is the Turul crest ( just a falcon with wings spread and both feet upn the helmet) made of silver, he would have a red and yellow sash around his waist. His horse would have chain mail armour coverd by a white and black horse coat.

This is the entire cavalry list, hope its ok it took me fricken ages.
Note: all magyars cavalry had the stirrup.

[Incongruous]

Just found out that Magyar archers didn't need hand protection so take away gloves from all primary archer units, but armoured units and heavy/medium cav should keep then

[Rodion Romanovich]

Ok, thanks Bopa, you've been of much help. Now that you've posted all info needed I'll look over the tech tree and soon remake it according to your research.

[Rodion Romanovich]

First attempt at Magyar unit lists and which buildings they'll be trained in:

SPEARS
1 - Kisebbik Magyar Spearmen - Light spearmen with recruve bows. Knee length robe, thicker wool covering chest, pointed fur-rimmed leather cap
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3 - Kisebbik Avars ból a Alföld - these heavily armoured spearmen are a strange concept in a Magyar army, they are slow moving heavily armoured spearmen. They wear a chainmail longsleeved hauberk that reaches just below their knees, a pair of fur boots and gloves, a pointed iron/steel helmet with a nose gaurd and eyepeices with chain mail attached from ear to ear. As a weapon they carry a long one handed thrusting spear, and in the other hand they hold a wooden tringular shield rimmed with steel/iron, expensive, multiple training turns.
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WEAPONSMITH
1 - Kisebbik Magyar Axemen - Light axemen with recruve bows. Knee length robe, thicker wool covering chest, pointed fur-rimmed leather cap, fairly cheap.
2 - Kisebbik Magyar ból a Fejedelem - Medium sabremen (hunnicus gladius) with recurve bow, round leather-covered wooden shield, scale armor hauberk, pointy iron helmet with chainmail down over back of neck.
3 - Lábfejek Magyar - Heavy shock two-handed long sabremen. Large round shield on the back, long chainmail hauberk, leather boots and gloves, ponty steel helmet with leather neck guard. About equivalent to huscarles in many ways, expensive.
4 - Magyars ból Buda - Heavy foot knights with frankish style equipment. Long straigth sword, kite shield, armored as frankish knights. Use the eagle banner function of R:TW engine to make them bring with them the Turul into battle, expensive, elite, multiple turns training.

BOWMAKER
1 - Kisebbik Kabar - Archers with magyar recruve bow and very light equipment (perhaps only dagger) for close combat. Thigh lenght green wool tunic, knee length brown leather boots, simple iron skull cap, leather strips wrapped around arm, from fingers to elbows.
2 - Lábfejek ból Székely fiú ból a Hunor - magyar recurve bow, sabre (hunnicus gladius) and small round iron shield. Grey wool thigh length tunic, knee length leather boots, leather jerkin with wolf fur on torso and leather pointed cap trimmed with wolf fur, small unit size.
3 - Kende's Lábfejek - elite archers, better quality recurve bows, steel sabre,
knee length cloth tunic, open sleeveless jacket, knee-length leather boots, leather gloves, pointy steel helmet with chainmail neck guard, expensive, elite.

CAVALRY
1 - Néptörzs Khabars - extremely fast, light horse archers with magyar recurve bow and sabre, horse with leather padding, almost unarmored means weak in front-to-front meleé, very cheap and easy to get.
2 - Néptörzs Magyar - light to medium horse archers with bow and sabre, leather cuirass, thigh-length leather boots, leather bands around hands for protection vs bow lacerations, horses leather and scale armor, cheap and easy to get. Will appear in great numbers on the battlefields.
2 - Nagy Székely - recurve bow and double headed axe with hooks on the tips, leather-covered steel-rimmed wooden shield. Black fur over mail armor, pointed steel wolf fur-rimmed helmet topped by horse hair plume - influenced by Rus, hun and magyar designs. Scale armored horses. These are among the magyar key troops with fairly low cost and good availability, and perform well early in the game but they'll be outmatched by the later western heavy cavalry. Better close combat than Néptörzs Magyar but slightly more expensive and slower moving. ZOR: approximately Pannonia area.
3 - Lovasság ból a Alföld - heavy lancers with sabre backup, round wooden leather-covered steel-rimmed shield, plate-mail, frankish helmet with nose guard, the rest including hand covered by chain mail. Horses armoured by scale and leather padding. Westernized unit without bow, expensive.
3 - Lovasság ból a Fejedelem - slightly lighter than Lovasság ból a Alföld and with bow and sabre instead. Very expensive. Served as princes and leader's guard among other things.
4 - Nemes ból a Palota - armed and armored like franks (lance and sword?), bring turul banner, very expensive, elite.


- Pata ból a Kende - General's bodyguard, plate and mail armor. Large magyar sabre, recurve bow and kite shield. Horses armored with chain-amil with white coat over. Officers unit should have plate mail armor and chainmail, steel frankish helmet with silver Turul crest on top. Horse with chain mail armor with white and black coat over.


I also need to find info on magyar pre-christian religion. Which gods did they worship during their pagan period?

[Incongruous]

Well they didn't really have gods, they worshipped, the sun, moon,sky and stars. I'll find the names by which the ancient Magyar called them and maybe you could just have somekind of shrine system.