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    The units file will remain pretty much the same.

    This is what export_descr_units says:

    ;Data entries are as follows
    ; Type The internal name of the unit. Note this not necessarily the same as the on screen name
    ; dictionary The tag used to look up the on screen name
    ;
    ;Category and class define the rough type of the unit. They're used for setting some default attributes and for
    ;determining where units go in formation amongst other things such as tags to support AI army formation
    ; category infantry, cavalry, siege, handler, ship or non_combatant
    ; class light, heavy, missile or spearmen
    ;
    ; voice_type Used to determine the type of voice used by the unit
    ;
    ; soldier Name of the soldier model to use (from descr_models_battle.txt)
    ; followed by the number of ordinary soldiers in the unit
    ; followed by the number of extras (pigs dogs, elephants, chariots artillery pieces etc attached to the unit)
    ; followed by the collision mass of the men. 1.0 is normal. [Only applies to infantry]
    ; officer Name of officer model. There may be up to 0-3 officer lines per unit
    ; ship Type of ship used if applicable
    ; engine Type of siege engine used by unit
    ; animal The type of (non ridden) animals used by the unit
    ; mount Type of animal or vehicle ridden on
    ;
    ; mount_effect Factors to add when in combat against enemy units that have the specified mounts
    ; Up to three factors may be specified, which may be classes of mount, or specific types
    ;
    ; attributes A miscellanious list of attributes and abilities the unit may have. Including
    ; sea_faring = can board ships; can_swim = can swim across rivers
    ; hide_forest, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, hide_anywhere = defines where the unit can hide
    ; can_sap = Can dig tunnels under walls
    ; frighten_foot, frighten_mounted = Cause fear to certain nearby unit types
    ; can_run_amok = Unit may go out of control when riders lose control of animals
    ; general_unit = The unit can be used for a named character's bodyguard
    ; cantabrian_circle = The unit has this special ability
    ; no_custom = The unit may not be selected in custom battles
    ; command = The unit carries a legionary eagle, and gives bonuses to nearby units
    ; mercenary_unit = The unit is s mercenary unit available to all factions
    ;
    ; formation soldier spacing (in metres) side to side, then front to back for close formation
    ; followed by the same measurements in loose formation.
    ; followed by the default number of ranks for the unit
    ; followed by the formations possible for the unit. One or two of
    ; square, horde, schiltrom, shield_wall, phalanx, testudo, or wedge
    ;
    ; stat_health Hit points of man, followed by hit points of mount or attached animal (if applicable)
    ; Ridden horses and camels do not have separate hit points
    ;
    ;Details of unit's primary weapon. If the unit has a missile weapon it must be the primary
    ; stat_pri From left to right
    ; attack factor
    ; attack bonus factor if charging
    ; missile type fired (no if not a missile weapon type)
    ; range of missile
    ; amount of missile ammunition per man
    ; Weapon type = melee, thrown, missile, or siege_missile
    ; Tech type = simple, other, blade, archery or siege
    ; Damage type = piercing, blunt, slashing or fire. (I don't think this is used anymore)
    ; Sound type when weapon hits = none, knife, mace, axe, sword, or spear
    ; Min delay between attacks (in 1/10th of a second)
    ; stat_pri_attr
    ; primary weapon attributes any or all of
    ; ap = armour piercing. Only counts half of target's armour
    ; bp = body piercing. Missile can pass through men and hit those behind
    ; spear = Used for long spears. Gives bonuses fighting cavalry, and penalties against infantry
    ; long_pike = Use very long pikes. Phalanx capable units only
    ; short_pike = Use shorter than normal spears.
    ; prec = Missile weapon is only thrown/ fired just before charging into combat
    ; thrown = The missile type if thrown rather than fired
    ; launching = attack may throw target men into the air
    ; area = attack affects an area, not just one man
    ; spear & light_spear = The unit when braced has various protecting mechanisms versus cavalry charges from the front
    ; spear_bonus_x = attack bonus against cavalry. x = 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 or 12
    ;
    ;Details of secondary weapons. If the unit rides on, or has attached animals or vehicles
    ;then the secondary weapon details refer to their attacks. If the unit has missile weapons
    ;the secondary weapon will be the one used for melee
    ;If the unit has a primary melee weapon, it may have a secondary side arm
    ; stat_sec As per stat_pri (a value of no means no secondary weapon)
    ; stat_sec_attr As per stat_pri_attr
    ;
    ; stat_pri_armour Details of the man's defences
    ; armour factor
    ; defensive skill factor (not used when shot at)
    ; shield factor (only used for attacks from the front of left)
    ; sound type when hit = flesh, leather, or metal
    ;
    ; stat_sec_armour Details of animal's or vehicle's defenses (note riden horses do not have a separate defence)
    ; As per stat_pri_armour, except that the shield entry is ommited
    ;
    ; stat_heat Extra fatigue suffered by the unit in hot climates
    ;
    ; stat_ground Combat modifiers on different ground types. From left to right
    ; scrub, sand, forest, snow
    ; stat_mental The base morale level, followed by discipline and training
    ; discipline may be normal, low, disciplined or impetuous. Impetuous units may charge without orders
    ; training determines how tidy the unit's formation is. Discipline the response to morale SHOCKS
    ;
    ; stat_charge_distance Distance from the enemy that the unit will begin charging
    ; stat_fire_delay Extra delay over that imposed by animation, hetween volleys
    ;
    ; stat_food No longer used
    ; stat_cost Number of turns to build,
    ; Cost of unit to construct
    ; Cost of upkeep
    ; Cost of upgrading weapons
    ; Cost of upgrading armour
    ; Cost for custom battles
    ; stat_ownership List of factions and cultures that may have this unit
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    Default Re: Tech trees

    can you give me one unit as example

    and explain the difference between these

    schiltrom, shield_wall, phalanx
    Last edited by The Stranger; 10-16-2005 at 11:39.

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    Schiltrom is not going to be used. shield_wall is a defensive formation where units with big shields go close together but they can't move when using the formation - it will be used by all units named something with huscarles or houscarles, for all others it's not yet planned. Phalanx will be used by the better spearmen, most of them should have a note in the tech tree about having phalanx formation if they have it.

    Example 1 (note is_peasant attribute, which there's no explanation to ???! I wonder what it does... ):

    type western peasant alemanni
    dictionary western_peasant_alemanni ; Barbarian Peasants
    category infantry
    class light
    voice_type Light_1
    soldier western_peasant, 60, 0, 0.8
    attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_swim, is_peasant
    formation 1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 6, horde
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 2, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.73
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 0, 5, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 2
    stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 2
    stat_mental 1, low, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 72, 14, 20, 30, 80
    ownership slave, alemanni, lombardi, burgundii


    Example 2:

    type levy spearman frank
    dictionary levy_spearman_frank ; Levy Spearmen
    category infantry
    class spearmen
    voice_type Light_1
    soldier levy_spearman_barbarian, 60, 0, 1.1
    attributes sea_faring, hide_forest
    formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, square, shield_wall
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 11, 4, javelin, 50, 3, thrown, archery, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
    stat_pri_attr prec, thrown
    stat_sec 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.73
    stat_sec_attr light_spear, spear_bonus_4
    stat_pri_armour 2, 5, 3, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 2, flesh
    stat_heat 2
    stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 2
    stat_mental 5, normal, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 333, 115, 40, 60, 370
    ownership slave, franks

    The sm_factions.txt file determines which units are horde units on the campaign map, so don't worry about that. But all units that we might want to make a horde of should have the can_horde attribute. So do can_horde attribute for all non-Christian cavalry units belonging to magyars, and all horse units and levy foot units for khazars and bulgars.
    Last edited by Rodion Romanovich; 10-16-2005 at 12:17.
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    thanx...i'll add the shieldwall later...since i dunno for wich they really go for...and you really must decide bout the weapons layout...cuz that i can change the units to the final stage

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    Aren't we using your weapons layout already? Or what is it you are missing? More detailed info about the units?

    Note I edited the last three lines of my post above.
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    yeah i know but mine doest covers all...someone posted a other wich covered the part i'm missing (attack values) do i have permission to use that

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    I don't remember what it said about attack values... IMO it's best if you choose what you think seems like the best stats, and we'll then adjust them during the testing phase if they turn out bad.
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