Campaign map

[GoreBag]

Well, in this period the control over areas wasn't as complete as it is today, so it's good enough IMO. But that doesn't mean I don't want almost as many cities as possible, just that I don't want them to be chosen based on location, but based on importance. I support trying to get as close to 199 cities/provinces as possible.

Control of the area was pretty tight, though, simply on the grounds that it needed to be. Bandits were common things, and the longer the roads were, the bigger of a problem it was for common folk to make it to the cities. Even if only for trade purposes, big provinces in populated areas really don't make sense.

[Rodion Romanovich]

I agree, in highly populated areas there will be smaller provinces = more cities also with my system, because there were so many important cities in highly populated areas. Highly populated area = many important cities is true in most cases, so in practise, both our systems would lead to the same map in the end, except perhaps some minor differences in lightly populated areas.

And the fact that so many bandits could move around means the control was often limited, even several centuries later bandits could move around and raid in France, among other places. The important stuff the way the R:TW engine is constructed, is whether the cities you include could have been subject to siege and assault. Smaller cities didn't need to be conquered in the same way, as they'd usually surrender when the larger cities fell, with only few exceptions.

[Meneldil]

I agree, in highly populated areas there will be smaller provinces = more cities also with my system, because there were so many important cities in highly populated areas. Highly populated area = many important cities is true in most cases, so in practise, both our systems would lead to the same map in the end, except perhaps some minor differences in lightly populated areas.

Yeah well, given that, Italy, Germany and France should have a LOT more of provinces, since they were much more populated than the whole british islands and scandinavian kingdoms. But then, OTOH, giving the welsh only one province would just makes playing him quite boring. The same would goes with almost all factions.

Anyway, I've almost completed the campaign map. The eastern part (eastern russia, asia minor) is quite screwed up, but that the map drawer's fault. Now, I'm kinda lost with the irish principalties, cause I can't find a map with the respective capitals, and with viking lands, aswell as finland.
Any help would be nice :)

[skeletor]

I'm not so sure giving a faction few citys is that bad, playing as Armenia was one of the most exiting campaigns i playd - Alot of action. France and German could have larger city's, but ofcource, atleast as many as the island.

But spealing of population, don't forget the areas around greece and the middle east. We can't end up with the Abbasid Caliphate with only a few prowinces.

-Skel-

[Meneldil]

Greece will be enough populated. As for the Middle East, the whole area from Aleppo to Jerusalem was part of the same province (Ascham), but since there was a lot of important cities here, I'm going to make more provinces for settlements like Jerusalem, Aleppo, Antioch and Damascus.

[The Stranger]

it would be cool if every provinces could have up to four cities.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Greece will be enough populated. As for the Middle East, the whole area from Aleppo to Jerusalem was part of the same province (Ascham), but since there was a lot of important cities here, I'm going to make more provinces for settlements like Jerusalem, Aleppo, Antioch and possibly Damascus.

Yes, Jerusalem, Aleppo, Antioch and Damascus all have to be included so it's a good solution you've chosen.

[Meneldil]

Great news, I found a very detailled map from Volga Bulgharia and eastern Russia in 900. I thought this are would be kinda hard to fill with provinces, but now, everything looks fine. Moscow (called Moshka and owned by the Volga Bulghar rebels) will even be in :)

From my late readings, I think the Volga Bulghar should defenitly be in if we get a chance to add more factions with BI*, they owned a very large empire in north eastern russia.

I'm already using your province list for Ireland, but I can't find the settlements on any map. Same thing for Norway, Sweden and Finland.

*It will likely not happen.

Legio, could you answer to my PM ?

[skeletor]

possibly Damascus.

Damascus is a must.

Damascus was one of the most important citys of the Muslim world. A few hundred years pre startdate, it was the capital of the Umayyad Caliphate (rouling all eastern land from spain to India.)

I know Damascus experienced a decline of population and welth from around 870 to 1000ad, but leaving out the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world, wold be like leaving out Constantinople, or Rome.

-Skel-

[Meneldil]

*goes to edit his post and delete 'possibly'*

Happy ?

[Rodion Romanovich]

Yeah well, given that, Italy, Germany and France should have a LOT more of provinces, since they were much more populated than the whole british islands and scandinavian kingdoms. But then, OTOH, giving the welsh only one province would just makes playing him quite boring. The same would goes with almost all factions.

Anyway, I've almost completed the campaign map. The eastern part (eastern russia, asia minor) is quite screwed up, but that the map drawer's fault. Now, I'm kinda lost with the irish principalties, cause I can't find a map with the respective capitals, and with viking lands, aswell as finland.
Any help would be nice :)

For Ireland, I think the provinces on my province list will do. They've been worked through a lot. Check the province thread.