Campaign map

**Csatadi** · 10-02-2005, 09:12

69 - Levédia - ??? (land of the Magyars in 840/850)
???=> Camp of the Black Magyars

70 - Etelköz - ??? (land of the Magyars in 840/850)
???=> Camp of the White Magyars

These were the traditional names of the people living on the eastern part – Black Magyars, and the western part – White Magyars.

I suggest smaller Magyar provinces – especially Levédia because the Magyars should have at least one neighbouring Pecheneg province – otherwise they probably will not fight against the Magyars.

71 - Pannonia – Ofen
72 - Avarorum Solitudo - Kaliesa (sp?)
73 - Carpathia – Erlau
74 - Transylvania - ???
75 - Banat – Vidin

The northern and eastern borders of Carpathia and Transylvania didn’t give the curve of the Carpathian mountains.
I suggest a thicker Carpathia like the shape of Slovakia now.

I have a map about the Carpathian basin in the 9th century.
I don’t see there Ofen, Kaliesa, Erlau and Vidin.
71 Instead Ofen I suggest Blatenszki grad (=Mosaburg). In 847 Pribina founded here a (slav) duchy which stands to 876.
72 Avarorum Solitudo: I think it shouldn’t be called in Latin. The simply Avar Lands or Avar Steppe would be better. Instead of Kaliesa I suggest an Avar Camp. It is near the Danuvius in the same altitude like the lake Balaton (Pelissa).
73 This territory had slav inhabitants, the Ants. I suggest simply Camp of the Ants instead of Erlau. (You may have right but there isn’t any city on this part of the map.) If the western part will not be Moravian Nitrava (called now Nitra) can be its city.
74 I see 2 appropriate cities on the map. Zilingrad and Mojgrad are in the vicinity of where Dej and Cluj-Napoca lie now.
Mojgrad sounds well, what do you think?
75 I think the ’Bánát’ name was used only later, in the era of the Magyar Kingdom.
I don’t see well if Belgrad – it has the same name now – is in the province. I suggest this city if it is in Bánát. My map shows here slavs – the Brodniks. But there isn’t any city except of Belgrad.

Albanians (on the Balkan) are missing from the map. Historians say they are descendats of the Illiryans.

**Meneldil** · 10-02-2005, 09:37

Could you put a map with these cities' emplacement ?

**Csatadi** · 10-02-2005, 14:29

My atlas book is too large and I haven't got a scanner at home.

this one is similar to my map:
The Carpathian Basin before the Hungarian Conquest in the 9th century
http://mek.oszk.hu/01900/01993/html/...061gf95035.jpg

Other maps
wander of the Magyars
http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/eg...der/wander.gif

Magyars, Byzantium etc.
http://mek.oszk.hu/01900/01993/html/index6.html

The Carpathian Basin before the Hungarian Conquest in the 9th century
very simple map:
http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/eg...t9/carpat9.gif

Other maps
Serbia
http://www.answers.com/main/content/...rb_lands03.jpg

Turkic history - many turkic people. Be aware Pechenegs are called here to Besenyos.
http://www.turkicworld.org/

slavs:
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.co.../0102slavs.jpg

**Meneldil** · 10-02-2005, 14:31

Btw, Pechenegs aren't a playable faction in the Mod. We are currently looking for another faction to add (we got ride of the senate/papacy with BI), but we're rather thinking about the Seljuks, The Volga Bulghars or some slavic faction.

**Csatadi** · 10-02-2005, 14:53

Ok. But I hope there will be Pechenegs in the game, some people will cry if not.
Here is the corrected map. Neon green sings show the place of cities.

Please save the image for yourself.

**Meneldil** · 10-02-2005, 15:00

Yeah, there will be Pecheneg units

**Archbaker** · 10-02-2005, 16:05

Wasn't the Papacy still a relatively large land holder and military power?

Seljuks are extremely late in the period, but could be interesting.

Slavs are a good idea. Would just a general Slav people be too close to existing factions? If so, Western Slavs as a general term, or Great Morania could maybe be used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples
The Polabians, specifically the Rojane from modern Rügen, would be an interesting choise because they were conquered by Denmark right after the period, but these could really just be represented by rebels.

Other possibilities:

Kingdom of Pamplona (like Asturia with bandit troops and less cavalry)
Basque Rebels (like Ostrogoths or Roman Rebels for whatever faction holds #13, #14 and #2. Bandit troops)
County of Catalunya (mix of Franks and Asturia)

I seem to have grown Hispano-centric. Who, besides Abbasids and al-Andalus, had power in North Africa?