Campaign map

**Meneldil** · 10-02-2005, 09:37

Could you put a map with these cities' emplacement ?

**Csatadi** · 10-02-2005, 14:29

My atlas book is too large and I haven't got a scanner at home.

this one is similar to my map:
The Carpathian Basin before the Hungarian Conquest in the 9th century
http://mek.oszk.hu/01900/01993/html/...061gf95035.jpg

Other maps
wander of the Magyars
http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/eg...der/wander.gif

Magyars, Byzantium etc.
http://mek.oszk.hu/01900/01993/html/index6.html

The Carpathian Basin before the Hungarian Conquest in the 9th century
very simple map:
http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/eg...t9/carpat9.gif

Other maps
Serbia
http://www.answers.com/main/content/...rb_lands03.jpg

Turkic history - many turkic people. Be aware Pechenegs are called here to Besenyos.
http://www.turkicworld.org/

slavs:
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.co.../0102slavs.jpg

**Meneldil** · 10-02-2005, 14:31

Btw, Pechenegs aren't a playable faction in the Mod. We are currently looking for another faction to add (we got ride of the senate/papacy with BI), but we're rather thinking about the Seljuks, The Volga Bulghars or some slavic faction.

**Csatadi** · 10-02-2005, 14:53

Ok. But I hope there will be Pechenegs in the game, some people will cry if not.
Here is the corrected map. Neon green sings show the place of cities.

Please save the image for yourself.

**Meneldil** · 10-02-2005, 15:00

Yeah, there will be Pecheneg units

**Archbaker** · 10-02-2005, 16:05

Wasn't the Papacy still a relatively large land holder and military power?

Seljuks are extremely late in the period, but could be interesting.

Slavs are a good idea. Would just a general Slav people be too close to existing factions? If so, Western Slavs as a general term, or Great Morania could maybe be used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples
The Polabians, specifically the Rojane from modern Rügen, would be an interesting choise because they were conquered by Denmark right after the period, but these could really just be represented by rebels.

Other possibilities:

Kingdom of Pamplona (like Asturia with bandit troops and less cavalry)
Basque Rebels (like Ostrogoths or Roman Rebels for whatever faction holds #13, #14 and #2. Bandit troops)
County of Catalunya (mix of Franks and Asturia)

I seem to have grown Hispano-centric. Who, besides Abbasids and al-Andalus, had power in North Africa?

**Meneldil** · 10-02-2005, 16:17

Originally Posted by Archbaker

Wasn't the Papacy still a relatively large land holder and military power?

Seljuks are extremely late in the period, but could be interesting.

Slavs are a good idea. Would just a general Slav people be too close to existing factions? If so, Western Slavs as a general term, or Great Morania could maybe be used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples
The Polabians, specifically the Rojane from modern Rügen, would be an interesting choise because they were conquered by Denmark right after the period, but these could really just be represented by rebels.

Other possibilities:

Kingdom of Pamplona (like Asturia with bandit troops and less cavalry)
Basque Rebels (like Ostrogoths or Roman Rebels for whatever faction holds #13, #14 and #2. Bandit troops)
County of Catalunya (mix of Franks and Asturia)

I seem to have grown Hispano-centric. Who, besides Abbasids and al-Andalus, had power in North Africa?

The Papacy (Patrimonium Petrii) was supposedly a part of the Frankish Empire. It will be either a rebel province or owned by the Central Frankish Kingdom.
If we chose the Seljuks, they'll likely act in the same way as the Golden Horde in MTW.

North Africa, while nominally still ruled by the Caliph was divided between many different and often rival emirates (Idrisids, Aghlabids, Rustamids, etc.). And we won't be using a general slavic faction. I'm thinking about the Poles, but Poland wasn't even an idea in 843. I'll look deeper into this.