yes. i wasnt suggesting that points were contested. a point is controlled by someone, but that doesnt mean the whole province is owned by one person. i was speaking about the whole province. so, i agree with you.

i guess we shld define terms here. i'm not really sure what you mean by a point. i'm assuming you're talking about the same thing i am when i said township. it's a sub-set of a province. let's say a province is like how shogun currently has them on the camp map. you would then take, say as an example, 10 sub regions which comprise that province. and that's what i'm calling a township. is that what you're calling a point?

then, 'ownership' would be that no one else has any claim over that region, whatever the size is. this would apply to both provinces or points. if another player moved into your owned province, they would move into one of the points. if there are no troops there then they would then control that one point, but not the whole province. thus, the province is now 'contested' someone else is making or has a claim over some part of it.

you could then do things several different ways. you could say that because the province is now contested, no one gets any koku, or, you could say that the original owner only gets x amount of koku minus the contested part but that the new owner of the one point does or doesnt get any koku from it. i could see arguements going either way on that. then, if the new owner went about and captured the majority of the points he would start receiving the koku rather than the original owner and the original owner would or wouldnt gain any koku from the portion he still owned. this would sort of simulate who the peasants were willing to support in the province.

the only drawback i see in this is actually getting the two armies to fight for complete ownership. the contender might be able to dance around in that province and avoid the original owner's army for quite some time, depending on how you did it and i dont think that's a good idea, though it probably did happen historically a bit. so, i would tend to make it possible for the orininal owner to simply jump on anyone in his province with an army he already has IN the province at the time. just be able to attack the guy no matter where he is and where the opponent is.

if for some reason the original owner were to remove his own army from that province while the contender still had his army in there, then the contender would automatically get the entire province as there is no longer any contention by another army.

K.