RTW unit rank depth?

**Kagemusha** · 06-08-2005, 21:28

Originally Posted by Quietus

It's right-click (hold) and drag.

For older games I think it is left-click (hold) drag

Yes.Quietus is right.I dont seem to know whats left and whats right.

**hoom** · 06-08-2005, 22:45

The hold & drag is the normal way.
(I STILL want my left click & drag back

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You can also use '[' & ']' to do it in situ (doesn't work for groups or units in phalanx)

Also I increased the default depth for the A.I. with 6-8 ranks for most infantry and the A.I. comes out with increased morale and units that stay in the fray longer.

Interesting, how easy is that to do? Do you know if anyones done it for RTR 5.4? preferably in a nice tidy package...

**Red Harvest** · 06-08-2005, 23:12

This is one of the weakeness of RTW unfortunately. Spear/phalanx units should benefit greatly from depth, but do not--they should also really suffer from lack of depth. Archers should suffer from depth but do not (except for some range/skirmish penalties at extreme depths.) MTW did both aspects better.

**The Stranger** · 06-09-2005, 15:28

true, but phalanx units do benefit from their depth. esspacially pikemen

**Red Harvest** · 06-09-2005, 17:36

Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1

true, but phalanx units do benefit from their depth. esspacially pikemen

No, not really. They do best in rather thin lines. Most casualties occur on the corners so widening the frontage is beneficial to a point. Doing 1vs1 testing non phalanx formations wrap around causing casualties on the sized. Running only 4 deep or so worked best back when I was playing. The only reason I went that deep was to allow for casualties thinning the depth, otherwise 3 or even 2 could work as well.

**The Stranger** · 06-09-2005, 19:33

but wouldn't pikemen do better if all the pikes are used, not just the 4. in 4 deep it uses 4 pikes in 6 deep it uses....eh

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**Red Harvest** · 06-09-2005, 19:38

2 lines deep worked quite well for phalanx units in some tests in the game...better than 4. However, the formation was brittle and unwieldy (as one would expect.)

**Orda Khan** · 06-09-2005, 16:38

Originally Posted by Red Harvest

This is one of the weakeness of RTW unfortunately. Spear/phalanx units should benefit greatly from depth, but do not--they should also really suffer from lack of depth. Archers should suffer from depth but do not (except for some range/skirmish penalties at extreme depths.) MTW did both aspects better.

Likewise, when I order a unit of archers to target a unit, my orders apply to all the archers in my unit. Unfortunately, in MTW, very often it was the case that only the front rank fired because the second and/or third were still out of range and the whole unit would now stop instead of moving until all were in range!!! That is stupid and was an annoying bug. This was a problem that could get your archer/pav unit into deficit quite quickly and leave you at a disadvantage. MTW spears were about as much good as a chocolate fire guard

.......Orda