Don't mess with the US state department!

[Sir Moody]

to be honest i dont see how anyone could defend her Actions - she refused to obey the orders of a Police oficer - not just ignored she openly and verbally REFUSED - the officer did the right thing

on the other hand in Europe the police generally dont have to worry about heavily armed nuts and so it is encouraged for the person to get out with Driver lisence to speed up the process - in the US where every man and his dog is armed i can imagine its a far more daunting process... so it is common sense still if you think about it

[Fragony]

What is so bad about it, can you yanks please come to Holland to train our police? Our invade us? This is how it goes here,

guy doesn't want to pay for tramticked.
ticket guy still wants it.
ticket guy gets assaulted.
ticket guy gently kicks him out of the tram.
guy faints.
ticket guy gets charged with attemted manslaughter.
guy wants money from state.
guy will no doubt get it.
ticket guy loses job.

Poor Leroy...

Ticket guy is white so of course guilty, non-paying guy is black so he can do whatever the hell he wants in lalaland.

[doc_bean]

What is so bad about it, can you yanks please come to Holland to train our police? Our invade us? This is how it goes here,

guy doesn't want to pay for tramticked.
ticket guy still wants it.
ticket guy gets assaulted.
ticket guy gently kicks him out of the tram.
guy faints.
ticket guy gets charged with attemted manslaughter.
guy wants money from state.
guy will no doubt get it.
ticket guy loses job.

Poor Leroy...

Ticket guy is white so of course guilty, non-paying guy is black so he can do whatever the hell he wants in lalaland.

And then people wonder why I want to be considered belgian and not Dutch

We both have our problems of course, but the Dutch 'let's talk about it' attitude sickens me sometimes. You don't NEED to understand criminals, just punish them.

[Fragony]

And then people wonder why I want to be considered belgian and not Dutch

We both have our problems of course, but the Dutch 'let's talk about it' attitude sickens me sometimes. You don't NEED to understand criminals, just punish them.

More of a 'let's don't do anything at all unless something is directed against immigrants' attitude, then you get 3 years in prison for thinking about torching a mosk

[Beirut]

to be honest i dont see how anyone could defend her Actions - she refused to obey the orders of a Police oficer - not just ignored she openly and verbally REFUSED - the officer did the right thing

I'm not defending her actions, I'm saying the cop's actions were out of proportion to the threat.

As far as what to do when stopped, I've heard many times, just open the window, turn on the interior lights if at night, and keep both hands on the top of the steering wheel.