0 turn building time?

**phred** · 06-09-2005, 03:50

Does the build time have to be a whole number?
I think a build time of 0.5 (2 units per turn) or maybe even 0.25 (4 units per turn) is reasonable.

**Simetrical** · 06-09-2005, 06:06

Yes, it does.

-Simetrical

**Khan of ED** · 06-09-2005, 11:07

SPQR isn't boring, don't know where you came up with that

If i want full stack army in SPQR i get it in 2-turns and go to fight (plus its easier to control unrest

).

I vanilla if i want full stack army 20-turns later and i have it (so what is more boring than waiting

plus there is very little full stacks battles in vanilla)

But ok if we get two versions of EB one with 0-turns and other like vanilla makes all happy and we all win

(it should not be so hard to mod it IMHO)

**Eucarionte** · 06-12-2005, 16:25

Mmmm...what about 0 turn recruitment only for peasants and militia type troops (such as town watch and militia hoplites, for instance)? A city could easily equip quite a number of these troops in 6 months (no training or special equipment required).

It could represent a last desperate effort to defend a city. It is said that one of the reasons why Hannibal didn´t assault Rome was precisely this (among other reasons like mobility, lack of war engines, etc.).

I don´t know how the AI would make use of this, though...

**Ano2** · 06-14-2005, 10:22

I'm just gunna paste my argument from the RTR forums...

Okay the main arguement of the No camp appears to be that battles would become unimportant due to the fact you could keep churning out army after army.

Heres how you counter that: High upkeep costs.

Yup thats it. Those who have played Roma mod know what i mean. You can churn out a large well-equipted army in 1 turn. Then you go into debt. Whilst this army is being used the debt rises. Then when the army is destroyed or severly depleted you monet slowly rises again. This means you have to cancel out all the debt before you can put another large army out into the field. Add to this the fact that you will have less population due to the Homeland system, and you really can't just throw away your armies. Of course if you own half the map you would probably be able to churn out 3 or 4 armies, and keep them coming after each is destroyed, but that makes sense as you own HALF the map.

0 turn does not unbalance the game at all as long as it is properly implemented. Most nations may be able to field a few armies at most and this will lead to some epic battles that are meaninful.

Also if auxillia still take a turn each it means only citizenship cities can produce big armies quickly.

This system is realistic and will IMPROVE gameplay if it is implemented properly.

**Greek_fire19** · 06-14-2005, 10:43

As has been said before, people are arguing about this as if EB will the the one and only holy grail, sacred and untouchable, whereas I would bet money that within days of it's open beta release people will have modded it, altered it and implemented their own things to suit their own preferences. There will WITHOUT A DOUBT be a zero turn mod for EB within a week or two of release.

**Ano2** · 06-14-2005, 14:04

True Greek_Fire but you must also accept the argument that those who want 0 turn could turn your argument around and say those who want 1 turn can mod it. Given that supporters of 0 turn recruitment do not want 0 turn across the board, and we will have to mess with upkeep costs ,you can understand that ours will take a lot more modding than simply turning everything to 1 turn.