CA and BI Decision Making

[Divinus Arma]

There are a lot other stuff, but all these have been pointed out in other threads. I'll close this, by saying that after STW, ppl have been waiting for MTW and when it came out it made a far bigger impression than RTW. There were also far less complaints. Wehn VI was about to come out, there were far less ppl saying they would wait to see what others think of it, to decide if it would be worth buying. And when RTW was about to hit the stores, i can't remember any1 (maybe i have a weak memory? ) who said i'll wait to see what it'll be like.

So in general, you are of the opinion that the series is degenerating? And that RTW is the beginning of the decline?

Your point may be valid from your perspective, but I have to agree on only some perspectives. I was more addicted to MTW than I was to RTW. I got burnt out on RTW far faster, but this may be in part due the fact I had been playing MTW for so long prior. I think the replayability of RTW is solid, and we must give credit to CA for making so much of RTW softcoded for modding.

DA

[Mongoose]

actually, the game is full of hard coded limits that are making the mod teams work around them...like using the same unitmodel for 3-4 units...

M**el is censored?!

[amazon77]

I consider RTW the best of the series, but didn't make the progress from MTW that mtw made from shogun.

yes, perhaps it starts to degenerate, tho i really hope i'm wrong on this one

[Spartiate]

Quote "So in general, you are of the opinion that the series is degenerating? And that RTW is the beginning of the decline? "End Quote

I really am starting to believe that RTW is merely the beginning of a new chapter.If we had never heard of STW and MTW or indeed they had never existed we would be enthralled by RTW.STW was absolutely amazing in that it was a ground-breaking new style of game.In MTW they already knew the engine and knew what they could and could not do with it so we had another good gaming experience.NOW along comes RTW.........a new engine and new design.They aren't exactly sure of everything they can or can't do with this new system yet but they gotta get it out there before someone else does.I firmly believe that the series will go from strenght to strenght but i also am quite frustrated like everyone else with the bugs and crappy AI.
I was reading an article recently by the Head-Honcho behind the Half-Life 2 game.He stated that it was the continueing story of game design that as soon as you knew how to use the tools at your disposal(i.e Half-Life 1) you had to move on and try new things with tools you didn't fully know how to use yet, risking bugs you didn't know were in the game until after release.The reasons for this are always your competitors gaining ground on you(Imperial Glory challenging STW and MTW maybe).
Anyway i've rambled on enough.

[Divinus Arma]

you had to move on and try new things with tools you didn't fully know how to use yet, risking bugs you didn't know were in the game until after release.The reasons for this are always your competitors gaining ground on you

True. But, fortunately we now have a terrific new sandbox from which to operate.


Everyone agrees that the visual elements of the game are solid. Fantastic even. Where most disagree is on gameplay. I think no one here would say, "gee, I want MTW graphics with RTW gameplay".

My point, in reply to your comment, is this: CA has a terrific foundation from which to expand from. They have the engine. They have the 'pretty things'. Now, they can work on stunning gameplay and make only minor improvement to visuals and the engine.

I suspect that BI will not reveal this, just as MI did not show the improvements that MTW showed and just as VI did not show the improvements that RTW showed. We will see the big leap, using the same engine, in the next TW title.

And my expectations, based on my limited understanding of the financial motivators behind their project development (as was clearly outlined in the opening postings to this thread) is this:

The TW title after BI will be a total blockbuster. It will sweep awards and everyone here will rant and rave and cry "oh thank you lord for thine sweet merciful justice". Why? I suspect that it was slated before RTW. RTW is the big test for the next TW game.

What does RTW give us over MTW and STW? Among many other things, these are some of the most drastic:

(1) Individually impressively detailed troops with huge improvements in individual interactions and character detail. (remeber stw and mtw animation? blah.)

(2) Excellent display of lighting effects, what with shadows (and soon to be night battles, etc.) and all.

(3) Drastic improvement in application of illusory physics and gravity: arrows, catapults, smoke trails, falling guys, breaking walls, etc. Use of height and mutiple levels where combat may take place (up on the wall, seige towers, etc).

(4) An operational based campaign map. geographical changes actual matter on the campaing map. Plan army and fleet movements in much greater detail, with far more effect.


So what does these mean for the future?

I suspect that we will see minor improvements in character detail on the battle map. The engine will remain unchanged because it is leaps and bounds above most everything available (especially the "real time" stragety types).

Visual effects and physics will improve substantially to get the "oooooh ahhhhh" effect. Houses will no longer blow up into giant mounds of dust, for example.

We will see battles in more complex environments, with greater use of cover. Fighting in the woods in RTW is a bitch, but cool as can be. Imagine the use of steps, rooftops, etc. Imagine having SHIP BASED COMBAT WITH MARINES FIGHTING OTHER MARINES ON TWO LOCKED UP SHIPS AS CANNONS FIRE INTO EACH OTHER!!! COOL!


The next game will be way better becasue the "heavy lifting" has already been done. The engine is ready. Now we move onto the next phase.

My suspicion will be Imperial Europe with colonisation of the new world, ending in the revolutionary war or american civil war. The campaign map will be the entire world.

Why?
First: Battles will look amazing when the physics are done right. Cannons, individual bullets whizzing through the ranks, dragoon charges, massed infantry attacking giant Napoleon style fortified positions.
Second: It is an epic period of global conflict. Colonisation, pirates, empire building, YAARRRGGHH! The world is a giant sandbox with HUGE areas of new land to conquer. The possibilities are endless and the replayability is unquestionabale.
Third: Well that is about it for now. I am too excited to type any more.


The groundwork has been laid. It will be Imperialism: Total War. or something like that. I can smelll it. I can't wait. I want it already.