This is priceless...

[Fragony]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/07/bo....ap/index.html

Oh lollipop, giving back a blood covered chainsaw

[Beirut]

If I looked like that I'd have gone berserk years ago.

Yeesh......

[Beirut]

Now that I think about it, you can deport this guy to Syria if you want to.

[Lazul]

"U.S. customs agents confiscated the weapons and fingerprinted Mr. Despres.

Then they let him into the United States."

wtf? what kind of idiots work at your costums!?
well, ill be sure to bring my Bastard Sword, my Two-Hander and my Throwing Axes next time ill visit the US

[Voigtkampf]

Oh right, it's Canada's responsibilty now to oversee the US border authorities and who it allows into its borders. C'mon get real.

Huh? I don't know what kind of border regulations Canadian have (if any ), but I've covered a lot of borders myself, and there are always two border controls; one of the country you are leaving, and one of the country that you are entering. I’m fairly sure it works the same between USA and Canada. Canadians should first check whom they are leaving.

And I’m not saying this to redeem the US border employees. I’m just saying that there are bozos on both sides.

[Beirut]

No checkout line here. You can leave as freely as you want. Until you hit the US line, nobody will take a second look at you.

[Don Corleone]

Krypta, Lazul & others... did you actually read the article?

They pulled the guy into custody for 2 hours. They did an exhaustive search in every database they could think of, looking for warrants. They called the Candian authorities to see if he was wanted. In short, they did everything they could legally do. They can't just hold him for carrying around weapons and looking scary. Last time I checked, that in itself was not a crime.

It's funny, in one breath, you guys are so quick to jump down the throats of US law enforcement for having no respect for the rights of individuals. Then, when they do, and they follow the existing laws, you're all over them that somehow they should be the amazing Kreskin and somehow just 'know' this guy would be turning up on a wanted list.

Maybe if the Canadian officials had told the border guards this guy was wanted, any of the several times they were asked, this wouldn't have happened.

Or are you guys making the case that people who look unusual and is carrying a knife should be taken into custody until he can prove he's not a criminal?

Or, do we outlaw antique swords, chainsaws and kitchen knives? I guess there's no harm in outlawing antique swords, but it's going to be damned hard to get along in life if everything that could potentially be used as a weapon but wasn't designed to be one (such as a chainsaw, a kitchen knife, or a hammer for that matter) is outlawed. And you say the US is turning into a police state....

Oh and Lazul, I wouldn't try your little trick. The guy in question was a US citizen, which was why they had to release him and allow entry. If he was even Canadian, let alone a crazy Swede , they could have turned him away. We're not about to allow any modern day Viking raids.

[monkian]

Canadian investigators have linked the boots of a SouthCoast drifter to a "similar" impression left in the rural home where an elderly couple was slain in New Brunswick province, according to court records.
Gregory A. Despres, 22, is charged with beheading an aging country music singer and fatally stabbing the man's wife on the night of April 23.
A federal judge in Boston will decide next month whether the former New Bedford resident, a naturalized U.S. citizen, should be extradited to Canada to face murder charges.
Mr. Despres' lawyer, Michael Andrews, didn't return a call seeking comment. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office declined to comment.
Reports from investigators in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said Mr. Despres was a mentally unstable man who spent hours gazing into a mirror and talking to himself, according to his grandparents.
Last year, Mr. Despres had a running dispute with the slain couple, Fred Fulton and Veronica Decarie, at one point accusing them of turning off his water.
"He's going to get us all," the victim's son-in-law told police after a scuffle in August.
A Mattapoisett police officer spotted Mr. Despres wandering along the shoulder of Route 6 just days after the killings and arrested him on an international warrant for skipping a sentencing hearing. The following morning, Mr. Despres told a state judge he was working for NASA and was headed for a Marine base in Kansas.
The killings may have been the culmination of a dispute that started last summer, according to police reports.
Canadian police were dispatched to Mr. Fulton's home last August after Mr. Despres allegedly pointed a bayonet at the chest of Fred Mowat, Mr. Fulton's son-in-law, the report said.
It was not the first time Mr. Despres had quarreled with his neighbors in Minto, a small town about 28 miles east of Fredericton, the provincial capital.
A month earlier, a water well supplying the nearby houses had failed, the report said. Mr. Despres blamed the mishap on Mr. Fulton, family members told police.
While the motive for the killings remains unclear, detectives said Mr. Despres lashed out violently sometime during the night of April 23, the report said.
Police claim the young man approached a side door to the Fulton home, cut the screen with a knife and reached for the doorknob.
Once inside, detectives said, Mr. Despres kicked open a second door and immediately headed to the bedroom, where he stabbed Ms. Decarie several times.
Her husband fled into a bathroom and sought cover by pinning himself between the door and the bathtub, police said.
Detectives suspect Mr. Fulton escaped the bathroom and fled as far as the porch before he was dragged back into the kitchen and beheaded.
His daughter walked into the kitchen on April 26 to find her father's body resting next to a pillowcase containing his head. Hours earlier, Mr. Despres crossed the U.S. border carrying a bloodied chain saw.

[monkian]

I'd say he looks more like a member of the Misfits. The part I really dislike about the story is how the killing took place in Minto. Of all the people to kill for no reason, he picks the Maritimers. Sometimes, I think we're too nice.

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We walk the streets at night, we go where eagles dare....

[Fragony]

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Ok now I understand he got through, he is solid snake!!!!

[Krypta]

Ok, I think we need to back up here because I think I'm giving the wrong impression.

Don, condesention isn't needed , I read the article. I also read 10 other articles concerning the story, from varying sources. I also tried to look up why, Mr. Dupres was even allowed to cross the border, seeing that he was out on bail.

Maybe if the Canadian officials had told the border guards this guy was wanted, any of the several times they were asked, this wouldn't have happened.

1) The RCMP didn't discover the bodies until the following day, which was the day after he had arrived at the US border and was allowed to pass through. What does this mean, Don? He wasn't wanted. He did, however become wanted after the RCMP discovered the Minto Chainsaw Massacre.
2) "Well, he had been charged with making death threats, why wasn't the US notified of this?". He hadn't been convicted of anything, yet. And as I said before, I don't think pending lower court cases are shared between US/Canadian border authorities. If he had been convicted of the charge of uttering death threats, well then that would be a different story...

Now, back to the impression I may be giving. I'm not trying to turn this thread into a lightening rod of Anti-Americanism, we just talking here. Nobody is trying to fix blame on any countries, at least I'm not, and if I'm giving that impression, then I don't mean too. Do I think that there is some sort of disconnect between the instance of this case and that of others, yeah. Do I think the US border authorities at that particular crossing should have their heads examined, yeah. Do I think all US border crossings are as lax and thus another example of US incompetence, fek no. We can still talk about it and think that it is fekked, without attaching nationality to it. Don't get your knickers in a knot, not everybody is out to get you.

[Lazul]

ehr, Don... sure, maybe its normal in the US to go through customs with chainsaws and home made swords but... there was BLOOD on the chainsaw!
Wouldnt the only reasonable thing to do being call the police? i mean, dont tell me bloody chainsaws are common to?

[Don Corleone]

Lauzl...Yes, it is reasonable to call the police. Which was why THEY DID. The Canadians told the border guards the guy had a clean record.

Krypta, I wasn't trying to be condescending. But honestly, you guys keep going on and on as though the border crossing guards did a shot with the guy, patted him on the back and sent him on his way. In fact, they were trying to keep him, and of course they saw a huge issue with this nutcase and allowing him in.

BUT... let's just assume a scenario that would have appeared identical to the border guards... the guy is something of a naturalist. He used his chainsaw to hack the limbs of a moose he shot. He's on his way back across the border to his home country of the US. They decide 'well, this looks hokey' and throw him in the klink. Days later, the ACLU sues INS for violating the rights of a citizen and illegal detention.

Which is it folks? The INS isn't even allowed to keep illegal immigrants out of the country without the whole Left uniting to scream 'racism', yet this guy, who again, WAS A US CITIZEN WITH NO OUTSTANDING WARRANTS, him they're supposed to detain without cause?

[ShadesPanther]

An important point is that they didn't have a lab to test if it was human blood.

Obviously they could detain him if it was human blood on a chainsaw.

[Krypta]

I see your point, however, I do think they could've perhaps sat on him for a little longer than a mere 2 hours and made sure that the blood stains on his clothes and chainsaw were indeed, not human. In the case of your example, say he was hunting, I would assume he would have some sort of way that he could prove that he was in fact hunting, an antler rank or a hacked limb, whatever. I don't think that your allowed to just come up here, whack a Moose, leave it in the bush and skip back across the border. Ofc, you could say well then, "What if he whacked the couple and then whacked a moose, and then used it for his alibi?" I don't know, but you must acknowledge that it is completely sketchy. Do you think that if he had done this at an airport you would still have the same opinion? Would the hunting trip still be as viable? My point is that it is their job to look for suspicious activity and to act on it and I don't think they did that in this particular case.

Which is it folks? The INS isn't even allowed to keep illegal immigrants out of the country without the whole Left uniting to scream 'racism', yet this guy, who again, WAS A US CITIZEN WITH NO OUTSTANDING WARRANTS, him they're supposed to detain without cause?

And the Right has stood by the detention of individuals without cause/ and due process, for lesser reasons than this. But I'm not gonna argue Left/Right politics, I think it's a shortcut to thinking and isn't the jist of my arguement.

[Krypta]

An important point is that they didn't have a lab to test if it was human blood.

Obviously they could detain him if it was human blood on a chainsaw.

No, your right they didn't. But they could've got a sample, without infringing any rights, and sent it to be tested.

[Don Corleone]

Fair enough, Krypta. And truth be told, I think Bush & AG Gonzalez have been leading the charge in terms of allowing as many people into the country as possible, so it's no longer fair for me to single out the Left in that particular rant.

As far as how long they held him, they claim they thought they were stretching it as it was. I don't argue they could have found..... something... to slow the whole process down. But in truth, they did follow the letter, and you could argue the spirit, of the law.

The part that I don't get is that they mentioned that he appeared to have blood, or red paint, or rust all over his clothes. If they really wanted to hold him, they could have gotten creative and claimed they needed to hold him for a physical, and 'oops', the doctor's car broke down. He should be here in 6 hours.....

[bmolsson]

Maybe he had diplomatic immunity ??

[GoreBag]

Ok now I understand he got through, he is solid snake!!!!

Fragony, you're a good man.