Fetuses stomped in Texas 'abortion'

**Kanamori** · 06-10-2005, 02:35

"Wisconsin declares 30 year low in number of abortions. Meanwhile, the number of abortions in Michigan increases by thousands during the last four years."

"Our legal system is constructed in such a way..."

God damn our legal system, and God bless Wisconsin!

**Don Corleone** · 06-10-2005, 02:39

I never said I liked it. I said it's how it is. I'm sure Pindar could explain to you how the legal rationale works, and Aurelian could explain to you how wonderful all this is. Personally, I'm sickened by all of this, but I guess that makes me un-American because make no mistake about it, unlimited abortion on demand in the 3rd trimester is as American as apple pie.

**bmolsson** · 06-10-2005, 03:22

This is not an abortion. It's self mutilation. The fetus is irrelevant in this case and if the woman doesn't file a report, I can't really see that there is a case here.....

**GoreBag** · 06-10-2005, 04:24

This reminds me of one of my favourite songs. Three cheers for death metal.

NP: Severed Savior - Steeltoe Abortion.

**Kanamori** · 06-10-2005, 04:33

I don't see how they can nail him on murder, as long as we have abortion on demand allowed while the woman is in labor, let alone 4 months pregnant.

How can they nail the boyfriend on murder? By law, abortion is not murder. According to the way our laws are written, all he did was assist the woman in executing a choice she made regarding her body and two parasitic lumps of tissue that she wanted removed.

Because it is a court in Texas -- this case went through a jury -- and both sides want it to go to higher courts, or at least to establish a precedant of murder charges w/ abortion, which won't, and shouldn't (I'd hate to see a woman having an abortion to save her life qualify as murder) stick. Don't get me wrong, we can all pretty much agree Roe v. Wade was a crappy case, but the other side should only go so far in their limiting of abortion.

**Phatose** · 06-10-2005, 05:26

3rd trimester abortions on demand?......I do not think that is the case.

Murder charges for abortion won't go anywhere, simply because the Texas law in this case specifically exempts mothers and medical personnel. That's the reason why he's getting jail for murder and she's getting nothing. In all likelyhood, the law had nothing to do with abortion when it was passed, and was intended for situations where a pregnant woman gets violently assaulted and the baby dies.

Wonder if the Texas parental notification laws had anything to do with this. 16 year old girl, abortion by unsafe and brutal means. Especially when you consider her family cheered at his conviction, well, this certainly has all the signs of being an act of desperation.

**Proletariat** · 06-10-2005, 16:43

Originally Posted by Phatose

In all likelyhood, the law had nothing to do with abortion when it was passed, and was intended for situations where a pregnant woman gets violently assaulted and the baby dies.

Interestingly, this happened in Texas, and the boy "was prosecuted under the state's new fetal protection law." Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't laws like that pushed by the "pro-life" crowd? *sarcasm* These laws of course aren't supposed to be Trojan horses to get your definition of human life codified into the law.

**KafirChobee** · 06-10-2005, 05:30

Yep, only in Tex-ass. Where DNA evidence that clears condemned men (and women) is ignored and where never having to say your sorry for being wrong is a long honored tradition. Matter of fact to say you are sorry is a misdemeanor in Texas. J/K

This is a joke? Right?

As a wise old man once said, " Only steers and queers, live in Texas." Queer, as in odd philosophies toward others.

BTW, life is an egg now - embrio, that is. One cell is now the rights new definition of life (I suppose, ameoba is a life form).

**doc_bean** · 06-10-2005, 09:03

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I never said I liked it. I said it's how it is. I'm sure Pindar could explain to you how the legal rationale works, and Aurelian could explain to you how wonderful all this is. Personally, I'm sickened by all of this, but I guess that makes me un-American because make no mistake about it, unlimited abortion on demand in the 3rd trimester is as American as apple pie.

Slightly of topic, but I felt that the verdict on Roe vs. Wade was against 3rd trimester abortions, I never understood how it made them legal.

**Don Corleone** · 06-10-2005, 11:57

Originally Posted by doc_bean

Slightly of topic, but I felt that the verdict on Roe vs. Wade was against 3rd trimester abortions, I never understood how it made them legal.

Originally Posted by phatose

3rd trimester abortions on demand?......I do not think that is the case.

For those of you who don't believe we have 3rd trimester abortion available without restriction, please consult the following:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in611168.shtml

Please note, the 'health' in question is mental and/or economic health, as the Partial-Birth-Abortion-Ban Act of 2003, and all the previous ones Clinton refused to sign, had exemptions where the physical health of the mother was at risk.

For a justification on 'why', here's a position paper on the pro-life side

http://www.lifeandlibertyforwomen.or...abortions.html

Understand, to the pro-abortion side (NOW, NARAL, the ACLU), ANY limitations placed on abortion are intolerable, and through much plotting in the courts and judicial activisim, that is the way the law of the land is these days. Roe v. Wade itself did not guarantee 3rd trimester abortions, abortions for 12 year old minors without parental notification, etc., but subsequent decisions have. Taken in whole, there is absolutely NO legal curbing of the abortion procedure. None. Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed or being disingenous. This procedure is more solidly enshrined in law then any other action which is guaranteed as a right, including free speech and free practice of religion, which the government can and does regulate.