The English Civil War TW

[cegorach]

So I have finally decided - it is possible to make this expansion to the MTW edition.

The progress will be rather slow, because it is not the most important thing to do, but the expansion will be prepared.

Some basic information about the expansion:

1. Timeframe

For now from 1642-43 to 1850 ( for game purpose) which includes Jacobite rebellions as another campaign. In future it is possible to start the campaign earlier i.e. in 1500 or similar.
This way the expansion will be divided into 3 periods with different factions each one.

2. Factions


Only 4 for now.

Cavaliers,
Roundheads,
Covenant Scots,
Irish,

3. Units

All English, Scottish and Irish units from the PMTW will appear in the expansion, but more detailed unit lists will be prepared.

THIS IS a request for you - if you have something to propose do it.

I have some ideas, but I have to gather them and I will post them as soon as possible.


4. Production time.

This will be a little odd, that is why I am describing it under a seperate number.

The idea is to keep 2 years as a basic production time for all basic the units - and much longer time for the buildings.
More advanced units will have even longer production time.

This way of recruitment is to recreate that mobilising regiments was easier in LARGER cities than in the country side. In fact this is to make some provinces more useful - especially London, because units available in those provinces will be 'produced' in a shorter time e.g. 1 year like London Trained Band Pikemen & Musketeers.

5. Map

The expansion should be easy to prepare, for that reason I am going to use VI map of the Isles with only minor changes e.g. some name changes.

5. Techtree

Buildings from PMTW will be used of course, NOT the ones from the VI ( with some exceptions made).

Regards Cegorach

[cegorach]

I have even more interesting idea when it comes to the production time.

This will be used to recreate 3 factors:

1. population
2. wealth/military resources (arsenals)
3. royalistic/parliamentarian support in the province

All this means that in some provinces it will be quite easy to mobilise pretty large armies e.g. eastern England gives a very good powerbase for the Roundheads, BUT NOT TO THE CAVALIERS - their units will be pretty difficult to produce in the provinces, whereas it would be quite easy to raise a decent royalistic fighting force in Wales, Cornwall etc, but not so easy because these provinces were not the wealthiest.


Unit list

It is far from beeing ready, but it is something to start with.

1. Irish Confederates

Kern militia ( 80 men, 1 year to produce),
Gallowglass (if they existed at that time at all) - 60M, 1Y,

Musketeers 80M,3Y,
Pikemen 100M,2Y,

Veteran Musketeers (from Low Countries and similar) 60M, 4Y;
Veteral Pikemen 80M, 3Y;

Irish Horsemen (lance armed) 40M, 4Y;

More units will be added for sure,

2. Covenant Scots

Scottish Lighthorse 40M, 3Y;
Scottish Dragoons 30M, 4Y;

Highlanders 80M, 1Y;
Highlander Archers 60M, 2Y;

Conscript Pikemen 120M, 2Y;
Conscript Musketeers 120M, 2Y;

Covenant Pikemen 100M, 3Y;
Covenant Musketeers 120M, 3Y;

Scottish Commanded Musketeers 30M, 2Y;


Both Irish Confederates and Covenant Scots will be able to recruit units in their homelands only - basically present Ireland and Scotland.

Irish will be able to use Highland units as well and the Scots will use some local units available in Ulster.

This will make both factions more difficult to play and win with.


English factions

There will be 'mirror' units i.e. a royalistic unit and its exact copy on parliamentarian side + faction specific ones.

MIRROR units

Trained Band Pikemen 100M 2Y or 3Y or even 1Y prod time.
Trained Band Musketeers 100M prod time as above.

Pikemen 120M, 2Y or 3Y prod time
Musketeers as above,

'Swine Feathers' Pikemen 120M, 2Y or 3Y;

Dragoons 40M, 3Y or 4Y


Common units - no difference, no 'mirrors'

Commanded Musketeers 30M, 2Y;
Artillery Guards 30M, 3Y
Miner teams and arlillery will be the same as in the PMTW 1.0


Faction specific units

[cegorach]

The ROUNDHEADS

Cavalry

Lobsters - 50M, 3Y - in a specific province or two - where ?
Parliamentary Horsemen 50M, 2Y or 3Y;
Ironsides 60M, 3Y;


Infantry

London Trained Band Pikemen 120M, 1Y
London Trained Band Musketeers 120M, 1Y;
New Model Army Pikemen 120M, 3Y;
New Model Army Musketeers 140M, 3Y;


The CAVALIERS

Green Coats pikemen 100M, 3Y
Green Coats musketeers 100M, 3Y - both only in a part of Ireland;

White Coats - pikes 100M, 3Y
White Coats - musketeers 100M, 3Y - only in few provinces in the north - where ?

Cavalry

Cavalier Horsemen - 60M, 2Y or 3Y;

Blue Coats -60M, 3Y;
Rupert's Lifeguards 50M, 4Y

+ the Highlander units from Scotland and some scottish cavalry:

Gordon Horsemen 30M, 3Y,
Gordon Dragoons 30M, 4Y,




Mercenaries

They won't be very numerous, most likely I will make possible to build the inn only in some provinces.

For now:

Mercenary Pikemen,
Mercenary Musketeers,
Mercenary Cuirassiers
and Mercenary Dragoons should be enough.

So basically I want you to correct or add anything to this list, I am especially interested in some regional/faction specific units available in some provinces only.

I will also need more information which provinces were supporting which side if it is possible to do it at all.

I am aware that Wales, Cornwall and Yorkshire were Royalistic and all the shires around and to the east of London were quite opposite, but it is only a start. I need more sources.

I believe the mod can be prepared rather quicly, because it won't be vary complicated and it is just an expansion to the PMTW1, so it won't affect other projects much.

Finally I will add that most of these units will get their new animations, but these won't be really varied, because the animations used will come from PMTW 2.0 or 3.0 ( we will see).

Regards Cegorach

[SwordsMaster]

I was hoping for a Baltic wars expansion....You know with Peter the Great and all that.... Ah well...

[cegorach]

This would require a new map. I have chosen the ECW because it already has a map (not the best, but still quite good) - this is the only reason I started this thread.
The expansion is fot the MTW VI release only for now.

[Radier]

You have my full support!

[cegorach]

What about Omacach, Enniskillen Fusiliers, Oaghancocharan which ones should appear at that time ?

Another thing - was there any irish type of troops which should appear only in specific provinces/province, I wonder ?

[Ranika]

The Omacach, Enniskillen Fusiliers (which would only be in Ulster), and Oaghancochoran (which should only be in Connacht) all were present. In the west, they recruited Irish islanders to act as heavy shock troops (Inishscia); they would use axes in melee, and pistols in later periods, like other Irish soldiers, would be fired before their charge.

[cegorach]

Great info Ranika ! It will really make the Irish Confederates more interesting to play !

Thanks as usual

[cegorach]

I have selected more than 15 commanders for the time being. I am searching for more.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

I'm sure I read somewhere that some Welsh units went to fight in the English Civil War with longbows (very strange i know). Could be a fun unit.

I hope you put plenty of Cornish names going on the Royalist side (seeing as the Cornish provided huge numbers of men). I also hope that you'll have non-Covenant Scots (I suppose they'll be on the Royalist side) and English/Scottish settler units from Ireland.

[cegorach]

Thanks streety !!

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Cegorach, I'll try to look into the Welsh troops for you some time.
I have a list of the Cornish units and their officers' names (some of which are very Cornish) if you are also interested in that (I actually have that on hand).

[cegorach]

Cegorach, I'll try to look into the Welsh troops for you some time.
I have a list of the Cornish units and their officers' names (some of which are very Cornish) if you are also interested in that (I actually have that on hand).

Post it please

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

I'll get that Cornish stuff typed out when I have time.
Have you looked at the Sealed Knot homepage?
I'm trying to track down the Welsh reference. It would be simple if I could get back to my old high school to look it up but I was, um, asked to leave (very embaressing pettiness on behalf of the school rather than anything terrible). Anyway, I'm looking for references when I have time.

[cegorach]

Ok