The American Taliban..

[Proletariat]

At least we can happily say that you are fatter than the snowball's chance in hell a Le Pen would have trying to get elected here.

[discovery1]

I have found it somewhat disturbing.

Now truechristian.com I though was funny.

[Leet Eriksson]

This is also a funny parody site:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

Some people thought it was serious

[Xiahou]

This is also a funny parody site:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

Some people thought it was serious

Yeah, I found the 'Pope's message from hell' particularly humorous... especially the part about how being sodomized by demons doesn't really bother him too much.

[Ldvs]

I have found it somewhat disturbing.

Now truechristian.com I though was funny.

This one is so extreme that I'm wondering whether that's a parody site or not. Is it?
Nonetheless I learned that in at least 7 states (Arkansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and last but not least Texas), atheists are considered second-class citizens and denied the right to hold any office (written in their constitutions). And I thought China was the worst country to live in...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Nonetheless I learned that in at least 7 states (Arkansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and last but not least Texas), atheists are considered second-class citizens and denied the right to hold any office (written in their constitutions). And I thought China was the worst country to live in...

Yes we are much worse off here than the people of China LOL. How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation. They didnt even consider other religions. Their concern was christians oppressing other christains. Many of the representitives to the signing of the Constitution had to acknowledge they were christains before even being allowed to attend. This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

[Ldvs]

How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation. They didnt even consider other religions. Their concern was christians oppressing other christains. Many of the representitives to the signing of the Constitution had to acknowledge they were christains before even being allowed to attend. This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

I didn't attend your last lesson, thank you for repeating again

Yes we are much worse off here than the people of China LOL

Perhaps that doesn't disturb you as a Christian (if you are) that you're forced to follow Christianity to be considered a full citizen, but I'd rather turn into a communist rather than convert to any religion (I've blasphemed, I think). In my opinion, this is not much better than the Islamic Law.

[ichi]

Christ would spin in his grave if he heard these guys proclaiming the right to hate, and kill, and impose their brand of morality on all of us.

Jesus taught a message of love and peace and forgiveness

This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

I wouldn't bash Christianity; this hate-filled demagogery is no more Christian than the hate-filled rhetoric that comes from terrorists is Islamic. This is a bastardization, a perversion of religion, and has nothing to do with the Christianity of our founding fathers.

ichi

[Tribesman]

This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.
So since this topic is about crazy fundamentalist Christians you are saying that it is the crazies who are responsible for your current government
oh of course it must be ,some of those nutters are the current government

Or is Ichi more accurate when viewing this topic ?
this hate-filled demagogery is no more Christian than the hate-filled rhetoric that comes from terrorists is Islamic. This is a bastardization, a perversion of religion, and has nothing to do with the Christianity of our founding fathers.

Christ would spin in his grave
He ain't in there Ichi he rose again .

[Meneldil]

This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

What a great governement that allows some states to consider non christians as second rate citizens...

Seriously, I'm quite hope that these people don't represent a large part of US population. Some of their speech sounds like a weird nazi ideology.

And well, I haven't read anything from your founding fathers, but I seriously doubt they were as dumb as that. What they are saying has nothing in common with christianity.

[GoreBag]

How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation. They didnt even consider other religions. Their concern was christians oppressing other christains. Many of the representitives to the signing of the Constitution had to acknowledge they were christains before even being allowed to attend. This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

"America: NOT a Christian Nation!"

[Lemur]

How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation.

Our founding fathers were also really into that whole enlightenment thing. A philosophy which would not fit at all comfortably next to current theocon dogma.

The Spain of Philip II was a Christian nation. Elizabeth's England was a Christian nation. Hannover Germany was Christian. All of the various principates, duchies and frothy little European semi-countries were Christian. None resembled the United States.

But as we all know, Gawain, you feel that the Christianity of the founding fathers was a crucial (if not defining) factor in how America got put together. And you've never spared a kind word for the Enlightenment. Thoughtless, Gawain, and cruel of you. Philosophical movements have feelings, don't they?

[JimBob]

How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation

Some of the founding fathers were Christians, of course. A few were even in their respective clergies(sp?) but the most important founders were if any form of Christian, Unitarian, with others being, deists, nontheists, agnostics, ect.
But don't just take my word for it, take them at their word and at their action.
Jefferson:
-Thomas Jefferson rewrote the Bible (it can be found as The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth or as The Jefferson Bible), this version removed all miracles and ends with Jesus dying. Jesus is portrayed as a man worthy of respect but also as a human which contradicts any church teachings.
-"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." -letter to William Short
-“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God.”
-“It is not to be understood that I am with him [Jesus] in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist.”
-Christianity neither is, nor ever was apart of the common law. Feb. 10, 1814 (US law is based on English Common Law).
-"He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac""
-Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. -letter to Peter Carr
-"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."
George Washington:
-Never took communion, nor did he belong to a Church
-Did not ask for clergy at his deathbed
-every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."
-"If they are good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa or Europe; they may be Mahometans, Jews, Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists.... "
-He never once mentioned religion as President
-at his death his friend Dr. Abercrombie said "Sir, Washington was a deist"
John Adams
-The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
-The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. Treaty of Tripoli
-“Nothing is more dreaded than the national government meddling with religion.”
-“It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service [formation of the American governments] had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven...”
-Adams admitted his unbelief of Protestant Calvinism: "I must acknowledge that I cannot class myself under that denomination."
Tom Paine:
-It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.
-The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.
- "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. "
James Madison:
-"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
-"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
Ben Franklin:
-“Some volumes against Deism fell into my hands. They were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle’s Lecture. It happened that they produced on me an effect precisely the reverse of what was intended by the writers; for the arguments of the Deists, which were cited in order to be refuted, appealed to me much more forcibly than the refutation itself. In a word, I soon became a thorough Deist.”
-As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble."

Sources:
http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html
http://monotheism.us/#GUS-2-3
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/ffnc/
http://earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html
http://www.anotherperspective.org/advoc550.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...igious_beliefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_...eligious_views