The American Taliban..

[doc_bean]

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." -Pat B.

I kind of agree with him

But I think it says more about the stupidity of men than anything about women.

[BDC]

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." -Pat B.

I kind of agree with him

But I think it says more about the stupidity of men than anything about women.

I've met plenty of scarily single-minded women.

Although I agree with men being stupid too.

[Leet Eriksson]

Ser Clegane thanks for explaining Yes its a tongue-in-cheek attempt, even though they were serious, i found it funny. I did not mean to offend anyone sorry again

[GoreBag]

Well, they were funny at first, but it became sad and then just aggravating as I worked my way down the list..

[Tribesman]

Amazing what is allowed to be posted in the Guild here and what is not...
Oh dear , a little oversensitive I think .
I mean its not like the site contains made up quotes is it ?
Hell , they could have come up with some even better ones without resorting to fabrication .
I was surprised Neal Horsley wasn't included on the site , I mean its not every day you get a right wing religeous nut on national radio telling everyone its normal to have sex with farmyard animals is it ? Well he did add that its normal in Georgia until you become a born again Christian .
So everyone get together and re-embrace Christ so you don't have to copulate with a Mule anymore .

[Ser Clegane]

No baiting please

[Beirut]

What about fishing?

What about just sitting in the boat with a six-pack wondering where your life is going?

Anyway, I find it very funny that after scores of posts alluding to liberals (for any reason whatsoever) as the dumbest people on Earth, a few quotes are posted showing the fringe idiocy of conservatism and the some of the Bush crowd go ape. (But not ape as in Darwinian evolution ape to man transformation, more ape as in the individual and unique species created by God during the Seven days.)

S-e-n-s-i-t-i-v-i-t-y. It's for women. It doesn't look good on the "Let's go to war!" crowd.

[Ronin]

What about fishing?

What about just sitting in the boat with a six-pack wondering where your life is going?

Anyway, I find it very funny that after scores of posts alluding to liberals (for any reason whatsoever) as the dumbest people on Earth, a few quotes are posted showing the fringe idiocy of conservatism and the some of the Bush crowd go ape. (But not ape as in Darwinian evolution ape to man transformation, more ape as in the individual and unique species created by God during the Seven days.)

S-e-n-s-i-t-i-v-i-t-y. It's for women. It doesn't look good on the "Let's go to war!" crowd.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


game....set...match.....3-0....best post in the last 2 weeks easy
Beirut comes in and slays the oposition

[ToranagaSama]

"We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."

Gary Bauer's comments above appear to be quite real. One side or the other will prevail; or, some accomodative *split* will eventually be negotiated. Neither side of the *cultural* war is going to subside to the other. War or negotiation is the only option. No?

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All of the comments on that Propaganda Page were taken out of context. Beyond that it must be admitted that most of the comments were made for *effect* more than anything else (Propaganda).

Though, the one quote that truly seem frightening (according to the site) was made by Gary Potter:

"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."

Absolute Totalitarianism!!!

Oh and this one by Randall Terry:

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."

"I don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your marriage as often as you like – and if you have babies, you have babies."

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."*

"There is going to be war, [and Christians may be called to] take up the sword to overthrow the tyrannical regime that oppresses them."

Nazism!

"The demise of our community and culture is the fault of sissified men who have been overly influenced by women."

Tony Evans

Never a truer statement. Even Arnold knows about the "Girly Men"!

[Lemur]

All of the comments on that Propaganda Page were taken out of context. Beyond that it must be admitted that most of the comments were made for *effect* more than anything else (Propaganda).

Um, a few of those quotes came from speeches and/or articles I have actually read. Some of them are not "out of context," if by that you mean "not representative of the overall message and tone of the speech." Some of the quotes are bang-on representative of what the speaker was going on about.

Take the Lt. General's quote about G.W. Bush being anointed by God -- that's not some slip-up or minor aside or crowd-pleasing bit of fluff. That was the point of that segment of his speech. If you flesh it out with all of his surrounding comments, it gets scarier, not saner. He had some lovely stuff about how he prevailed in combat because his God was real and the other guy's God was a pagan idol, and how G.W.B. didn't get the majority of votes but won anyway, and how this proves that the Divine intervened in American politics to make sure the right man won, etc., etc., etc.

I certainly haven't read/heard everything from that page, but the few speeches I was already familiar with match up quite nicely. The propoganda effect you're referring to comes more from seeing them all lined up neatly with each other, making explicit what was implicit.

Very funny stuff, very funny indeed. Faisal, you're a treasure for having found this site.

[Ldvs]

I have found it somewhat disturbing.

Now truechristian.com I though was funny.

This one is so extreme that I'm wondering whether that's a parody site or not. Is it?
Nonetheless I learned that in at least 7 states (Arkansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and last but not least Texas), atheists are considered second-class citizens and denied the right to hold any office (written in their constitutions). And I thought China was the worst country to live in...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Nonetheless I learned that in at least 7 states (Arkansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and last but not least Texas), atheists are considered second-class citizens and denied the right to hold any office (written in their constitutions). And I thought China was the worst country to live in...

Yes we are much worse off here than the people of China LOL. How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation. They didnt even consider other religions. Their concern was christians oppressing other christains. Many of the representitives to the signing of the Constitution had to acknowledge they were christains before even being allowed to attend. This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

[Ldvs]

How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation. They didnt even consider other religions. Their concern was christians oppressing other christains. Many of the representitives to the signing of the Constitution had to acknowledge they were christains before even being allowed to attend. This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

I didn't attend your last lesson, thank you for repeating again

Yes we are much worse off here than the people of China LOL

Perhaps that doesn't disturb you as a Christian (if you are) that you're forced to follow Christianity to be considered a full citizen, but I'd rather turn into a communist rather than convert to any religion (I've blasphemed, I think). In my opinion, this is not much better than the Islamic Law.

[ichi]

Christ would spin in his grave if he heard these guys proclaiming the right to hate, and kill, and impose their brand of morality on all of us.

Jesus taught a message of love and peace and forgiveness

This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

I wouldn't bash Christianity; this hate-filled demagogery is no more Christian than the hate-filled rhetoric that comes from terrorists is Islamic. This is a bastardization, a perversion of religion, and has nothing to do with the Christianity of our founding fathers.

ichi

[Tribesman]

This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.
So since this topic is about crazy fundamentalist Christians you are saying that it is the crazies who are responsible for your current government
oh of course it must be ,some of those nutters are the current government

Or is Ichi more accurate when viewing this topic ?
this hate-filled demagogery is no more Christian than the hate-filled rhetoric that comes from terrorists is Islamic. This is a bastardization, a perversion of religion, and has nothing to do with the Christianity of our founding fathers.

Christ would spin in his grave
He ain't in there Ichi he rose again .

[Meneldil]

This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

What a great governement that allows some states to consider non christians as second rate citizens...

Seriously, I'm quite hope that these people don't represent a large part of US population. Some of their speech sounds like a weird nazi ideology.

And well, I haven't read anything from your founding fathers, but I seriously doubt they were as dumb as that. What they are saying has nothing in common with christianity.

[GoreBag]

How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation. They didnt even consider other religions. Their concern was christians oppressing other christains. Many of the representitives to the signing of the Constitution had to acknowledge they were christains before even being allowed to attend. This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.

"America: NOT a Christian Nation!"

[Proletariat]

What a great governement that allows some states to consider non christians as second rate citizens...

For being from a country as sensitive as yours is, this is a truly idiotic statement.

[Steppe Merc]

What a great governement that allows some states to consider non christians as second rate citizens...

Seriously, I'm quite hope that these people don't represent a large part of US population. Some of their speech sounds like a weird nazi ideology.

I'm almost certaint aethists and non Christians are officially "second class citizens" in these nutters wet dreams...

And they aren't a large amount. They are the very loud, very vocal, very scary minority.

[Lemur]

How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation.

Our founding fathers were also really into that whole enlightenment thing. A philosophy which would not fit at all comfortably next to current theocon dogma.

The Spain of Philip II was a Christian nation. Elizabeth's England was a Christian nation. Hannover Germany was Christian. All of the various principates, duchies and frothy little European semi-countries were Christian. None resembled the United States.

But as we all know, Gawain, you feel that the Christianity of the founding fathers was a crucial (if not defining) factor in how America got put together. And you've never spared a kind word for the Enlightenment. Thoughtless, Gawain, and cruel of you. Philosophical movements have feelings, don't they?

[doc_bean]

Seriously, I'm quite hope that these people don't represent a large part of US population. Some of their speech sounds like a weird nazi ideology.

Let's be fair, every country has its nutters that get a surprising amount of the country behind them *cough*LePen*cough*.

[JimBob]

How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation

Some of the founding fathers were Christians, of course. A few were even in their respective clergies(sp?) but the most important founders were if any form of Christian, Unitarian, with others being, deists, nontheists, agnostics, ect.
But don't just take my word for it, take them at their word and at their action.
Jefferson:
-Thomas Jefferson rewrote the Bible (it can be found as The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth or as The Jefferson Bible), this version removed all miracles and ends with Jesus dying. Jesus is portrayed as a man worthy of respect but also as a human which contradicts any church teachings.
-"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." -letter to William Short
-“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God.”
-“It is not to be understood that I am with him [Jesus] in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist.”
-Christianity neither is, nor ever was apart of the common law. Feb. 10, 1814 (US law is based on English Common Law).
-"He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac""
-Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. -letter to Peter Carr
-"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."
George Washington:
-Never took communion, nor did he belong to a Church
-Did not ask for clergy at his deathbed
-every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."
-"If they are good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa or Europe; they may be Mahometans, Jews, Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists.... "
-He never once mentioned religion as President
-at his death his friend Dr. Abercrombie said "Sir, Washington was a deist"
John Adams
-The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
-The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. Treaty of Tripoli
-“Nothing is more dreaded than the national government meddling with religion.”
-“It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service [formation of the American governments] had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven...”
-Adams admitted his unbelief of Protestant Calvinism: "I must acknowledge that I cannot class myself under that denomination."
Tom Paine:
-It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.
-The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.
- "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. "
James Madison:
-"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
-"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
Ben Franklin:
-“Some volumes against Deism fell into my hands. They were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle’s Lecture. It happened that they produced on me an effect precisely the reverse of what was intended by the writers; for the arguments of the Deists, which were cited in order to be refuted, appealed to me much more forcibly than the refutation itself. In a word, I soon became a thorough Deist.”
-As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble."

Sources:
http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html
http://monotheism.us/#GUS-2-3
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/ffnc/
http://earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html
http://www.anotherperspective.org/advoc550.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...igious_beliefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_...eligious_views

[Divinus Arma]

Of course you can find quotes making those on the right look like jackasses. The thing is, it's even easier to do with the Left. Just turn on the news.

LOLOLOL. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!


YAYRRGGHHH!!! !!!!!

[ichi]

Christ would spin in his grave
He ain't in there Ichi he rose again .

Are you sure, 'cause I'm thinking you've got him confused with Elvis

[Kaiser of Arabia]

WTF? That's a list of good Americans!
Whoever wrote that should be imprisoned forever, in fact, I think they can be.
Here's some Evil American Quotes!

• "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." - John Adams
• "I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God." - Thomas Edision
• "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." - Abe Lincoln
• "All thinking men are atheists." - Ernest Hemmingway (he lived in America lol)
• "I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will--and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain." - Gene Roddenberry
• "It is said that men may not be the dreams of the Gods, but rather that the Gods are the dreams of men." - Carl Sagan
• "Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business." - Jesse Ventura
• "Not only is God dead, but just try to find a plumber on weekends." - Woody Allen
• "The good part of Christmas is not always Christian -- it is generally Pagan; that is to say, human, natural." - Robert G. Ingersoll
• "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine

Now that I have offended every sensable person here, I rest my case.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

oh yalls want a good christian site check out the greatest American Political party...EVER
http://falangist.com/

[GoreBag]

[*] "The good part of Christmas is not always Christian -- it is generally Pagan; that is to say, human, natural." - Robert G. Ingersoll

I've never heard of Ingersoll, but I like him already.

[Tribesman]

Our organization has no ties or connection whatsoever to the Spanish Falange nor any other neo-Nazi / anti-Democratic groups who use the name Falange or Falangist.
Nice site Capo , though that opening statement of theirs is a little strange as they carry a link to supporters of LF . But maybe the LF have changed as Jumblatt is (after the latest election results) saying they are now a pro Assad group since Aoun returned from exile

[Ldvs]

I've never heard of Ingersoll, but I like him already.

If you seek other excellent quotes I suggest you visit this website
Unfortunately, some quotes are a little too offensive (too true, in fact) to be displayed here. I'll paste a few though:

Sir Francis Bacon..."The trinitarian believes a virgin to be the mother of a son who is her maker."

Thomas Jefferson..."I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies."

Thomas Edison..."I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul....No, all this talk of an existence beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life---our desire to go on living---our dread of coming to an end. "

[Samurai Waki]

I love these anti-christian/Religious guys!

Actually though, being agnostic (with a very strong Catholic background) I have to say, if both sides should just take a moment and shut up and listen to themselves and to the other side, we'd all realize that humans are just innately retarded when it comes to personal philosophy and spirituality.

Like the Best Proverb Goes : "Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one."