Names

**Nacheras** · 11-02-2005, 23:54

More names for you.

Asturian male names

Teodomir
Casio/ Casius
Lope
Adanino
Odoario
Gatón
Sarracino
Fortis
Lucas (Luke)
Gomez
Beato/ Beatus
Eterio/ Heterius

Asturian female names

Nuña/ Nunia

Hispanic Mark male names

Bera
Rampón
Alerán
Angelino
Sabarino
Viliesindo/ Wilesind

Hispanic Mark female names

Petronila

Let´s go with Al-Andalus names

Emires and Caliphes of Al-Andalus

Tarik (berber)
Muza ben Nusair
Abd-Al-Aziz ben Muza
Ayub ben Habib
Al-Horr
Al-Sama ben Malik
Abd-ar-Rahmán
Ambaza
Odra ben Abdala
Yahya ben Salema
Hodaifa ben Al-Ahguas
Otman ben Abunisa
Al-Haitam ben Obaid
Abd al-Malik ben Katan
Okba
Balec ben Baxir
Taalaba ben Salama
Abultajar
Toaba ben Salama
Yusuf
Hixem
Al-Hakem
Muhammad
Al-Mondir
Abd-Allah
Suleiman

Other andalusian names

Zeyad
Omar ben Abdallah Al-Muradí
Munuza (berber)
Habib
Maisara Al-Hakir (berber)
Baleg ben Biser
Katan
Umaiya
Halid ben Hamed as-Zanati (berber)
Mohawiya
Bader
Alkama
Teman
Ibrahim ben Sagara
Asim Al-Uryan
Abusaid
Abusuluad
Xaquia
Husein ben Yahya
Omar
Malik
Hasdail ben Saprut (jewish)
Abul Hattar
Darrag Al-Kastali (berber)
Ubaid Allah ben Kasim
Chammas
Isa
Garbib
Amrus
Obaidala
Abu Hafs
Umar
Idris
Ziryab (persian)
Nasr
Hasim
Sadun
Ibn Marwan
Omar ben Hafsun
Aisun
Hafs
Sauwar
Said
Hagag
Haldun
Gad
Umaiya
Bakr
Aben Mastana
Ahmed
Chafar
Saih Al-Aslami
Halaf
Aben Marwan
Galib
Nachda ("slav", or european slave)
Abu Alí
Mushafi
Aben Gannun
Al-Mugira
Ibn Abu Amir Muhammad, named Al-Mansur Billah (Almanzor in spanish), or "the victorious". General, politic and dictator of Al-Andalus between 978 and 1002 AD). Many times victor over christians, and conqueror of Barcelona, Coimbra, Leon, Zamora and Compostela. He preffered sack and/or exterminate those cities more than conquer.
Chaudar
Bologgin
Askalacha
Ziri ben Atiya
Wadih
Al-Mudaffar
Zawi
Hairan
Muchahid
Gawhar
Ibn Rumatris

Andalusian female names

Tarub
Subh
Asmah
Radia
Fatima
Lobna
Fadal
Calam
Adal

About traits: I think all the usual christian traits are valids for asturian generals. Could be posible, if you are going to adopt the BI "religious-type", add a new trait: adopcionist believs. Adopcionist was a teological controversy in Spain in VIII century, and separated Asturian Church from mossarab (goth cristian in andalus kingdom) church, bringing it near roman european church. Adoptionist believs in a asturian general must (as donatist or arian believs in a roman general in BI) decrease popularity and public order if that general is a governor.

I think important trait for a christian general (Asturian, Navarre, Catalonian) is despise or hate muslims. Of course the same about christians for an andalusi general. Don´t forget war in Spain had an central motivation about religion.

I don´t know if you are going to reintroduce offices, as in MTW and BI, but if you are interested, here are some of them:

Andalusian offices (or ancillaries):
Sultan, at 929 Caliph: king or faction leader
Haxib: Prime minister or Chancellor of Palace. head of Royal House, Chancillery and Public Treasure
Vizir: Each one of minister or state secretaries.
Amir or wali: governor of a province. Before Caliphate first emir were the effective gobernor of all Andalus.
Cadi: judge or major of a town. Cadi aljamaa: head of all judges of the caliphate.
Sahib Surta or Chorta: head of policy of Cordoba.
Sahib as Sikka: head of the coin factory

Some ancillaries: Mursif or tax collector (+ in tax collection and in administration), Akim or auxiliar judge (+ law and public order), Al-wazir or policy agent (+ in public order), Mutashib or inspector of weights and measures (+ in trade, farmer production, tax and population grow), Caid or general (+ in personal security and command), ulema or alim, a muslim saviour (+ in muslim conversion and happiness in muslim provinces, - ), faqui, teacher at university (+ in management and influence).

Real Ancillaries: Al-Gazal, a poet and ambassador; Aben Abd er Rabihi, enciclopedist and scholar; Aben Hani, poet; Azzobaidi, famous teacher of caliphas; Said of Bagdad, poet and epigramist; Habid, bard; Walada, princess and poet; Aben Zeidun, poet; Aben Jaldun, singer; Ziriab, musician; Abd el Malik ben Habib, Law expert; Aben Masarra, philosopher; Aben Hazam, philosopher (don´t forget that a philosopher improves management but decreases popularity of a general due to be suspect of heresy); Ahmed Aben Nasar, mathematician; Moslema ben Alcasim, astronomist, astrologist and alquimist; Maslama, astronomist: Yahya ben Ishak, physician; Said ben Abderrahibi, physician; Albucasim, famous chirurgeon around dark ages world.

Enough for today. Next day I´ll try to find trais and ancillaries for Asturias, and, if possible, of kingdom of Navarre (basques) and County of Barcelona (catalonians)

**Meneldil** · 11-03-2005, 07:02

Well, Catalonia will be owned by the Western Franks at start, and the Basques won't be a faction on their own. Do you think either the Western Franks or the Asturians could use these offices ?

**Nacheras** · 11-03-2005, 10:22

Well, I have posted about andalusian offices, not christian yet. I´m not sure about what are you talking about.

At 843 Pyrenaic spanish area was divided between the kingdom of Navarra (basques) at west and the Hispanic Mark at East. The Hispanic Mark belongued to West Frankish Kingdom, and were divided by about 10 countys. It depended of the marquis of Gothia (former gothic gaul province of Septimania). Hispaniv Mark and Gothia were united until 865, being then divided. The most powerful count was the count of Barcelona, that usually (not always) were the effective marquis of all the Hispanic Mark.

At 877 frank emperor Charles declares offices inheritable.
About 898 count Wilfred of Barcelona began an semi-independent way from the frankish kings for Hispanic Mark. But officialy the counts of Barcelona continue to be theorical vasals to the West frankish king.
Legal independence from him has a difficult exactly date.
Around 950-970 AD counts of Barcelona dominated most of countys of the Mark (except those that remained aragonese) and then their territory received the name of County of Barcelona. Catalonia is a later name, used in full XI century.

If you are thinking about make the catalonians an emerging faction, I believe is better name the province as Hispanic Mark (historical accurate at 843) and County of Barcelona as faction name, that this is the official name for catalonians until XV century. Its banner was a red cross over white flag (St George cross). Later was quarted with the four red stacks on gold.

**Meneldil** · 11-03-2005, 10:36

Unhappilly, there won't be any other spanish faction beside Asturia and the Omeyyads.

I was speaking about the Basque and Catalunians (?) offices. Do you think they could be used by the Western Franks, by the Omeyyads or by the Asturians ? If not, they will be of little use for the mod, since we we won't have Navarra and Catalunia as playable factions.

**Nacheras** · 11-03-2005, 11:24

Ok, now I understand. I think that, in fact, were the catalonians who used frankish offices.
Navarre kingdom was very "original", so I think you cannot use its offices for franks, could be for asturians.

For Asturias:

offices: Alfonso II (about 800-842) reconstructed the "Aula Regia", the gothic royal court.
comites or counts: governors of provinces. Most importants were count of Galicia and Count of Castilla.
comites palatinii: court offices. Cubicularius, coperus
dukes: military heads of the towns.
iudex: judges of the towns.

traits: adoptionist believes (- popularity in christian provinces), hates or despises muslims (+ command against muslims), saint apparitions

(+ morale of troops and christian conversion), gothic blood in his veins (+ influence), devout of Saint James (+ influence and christian conversion), likes hunter (+ movement), dislikes hunter (- popularity), believes in ordalia (God´s judgement) (+ christian conversion - management)

ancillaries: monk (+ christian conversion and popularity in christian provinces), monastery copist (+ management) catholic bishop (+ christian conversion and influence), chancillery priest scribe (++ management), trujiman or translator-ambassador to muslims (+ influence), jewish financier (+ management or/and tax, - popularity), jewish trader (+ trader and trader taxes, - popularity), sayon or law agent (+ public order and law), fidel palatii or bodyguard (+ personal security), majordomus similar to frankish (+ management and influence), hunter (+ sight line and movements)

real ancilliaries: Bernardo del Carpio, famous warrior (+ command), Cross of Pelayo (+ christian conversion and ++ influence), Eulogius of Cordoba, bishop and martyr to sarrains (+ christian conversion and command against muslims), Beatus of Liebana, erudit and polemist against adopcionists (+ christian conversion and management).

That´s all for now. I will continue investigating.
Generally you can assign frank trais and ancillaries to the asturian generals if necessary.