Bush's biggest failure

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 06-12-2005, 23:45

Originally Posted by discovery1

I doubt they would make good soldiers if they can't speak english. I guess you could take their first-born in the US though.

I dont think you need to learn english to clear minfields and the like.

**discovery1** · 06-12-2005, 23:52

Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia

I dont think you need to learn english to clear minfields and the like.

To tell them how to do it properly I would think it would be useful. Unless you plan on them simply running across. And then you also have issues of willingness to be there. Some will likely be very bitter about being in the military. Would you trust them to do a proper job of mine clearing?

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 06-13-2005, 02:04

Originally Posted by discovery1

To tell them how to do it properly I would think it would be useful. Unless you plan on them simply running across. And then you also have issues of willingness to be there. Some will likely be very bitter about being in the military. Would you trust them to do a proper job of mine clearing?

Well we wouldn't tell them it's a mine feild, we'd just do as Zhukov did with his russians. Hey, it worked!

**discovery1** · 06-13-2005, 02:16

Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia

Well we wouldn't tell them it's a mine feild, we'd just do as Zhukov did with his russians. Hey, it worked!

Ah. While it worked, he didn't have sensitive political issues to deal with. Are you being tongue-in-cheek?

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 06-13-2005, 02:17

Originally Posted by discovery1

Ah. While it worked, he didn't have sensitive political issues to deal with. Are you being tongue-in-cheek?

Very.

**bmolsson** · 06-13-2005, 05:06

Does illegal immigration really cost money for US ? I don't think so. It's cheap labor, no social responsibility, not allowed to vote, can be thrown out at any time and they consume most of their income in US.......

**Xiahou** · 06-13-2005, 05:39

Well, there is free access to our healthcare and the inordinately high crime rates among illegals. Did you read the 1st post?

If people want to discuss a reasonable guest worker program- that's fine. But we can't make that effective without also securing our border and reforming enforcement policies.

As for Bush's biggest failure.... this is right up there with the prescription drug entitlement.

**doc_bean** · 06-12-2005, 23:57

Immigrants take up jobs that pay too poorly for any citizen to do, and if wages have to be raised, their would be no jobs since the employer would go out of business. At least that's the way it's over here.

Honestly, the fair wage rethoric is something I'd expect from a Frenchman, not a US republican !