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    Separating school and state
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    Three recent dispatches from the education battlefront:

    * Kansans have been debating how the development of life on earth should be taught in public schools -- as the unintended result of random evolution or as the complex product of an evolution shaped by intelligent design. The board of education held hearings in May, and is to decide this summer whether the current science standards should be changed. Kansas is just one of 19 states in which the Darwinism vs. Intelligent Design contest is being fought. Emotions have been running high, as they often do when the state takes sides in a clash of fundamental values and beliefs.

    * In Massachusetts, the Boston Globe recently reported, a father named David Parker found himself in a war with his local school board when he objected to a kindergarten "diversity" curriculum that depicted gay and lesbian couples raising children. Parker, a Christian opposed to same-sex marriage, showed up at Estabrook elementary school in Lexington to request that he or his wife be notified -- in keeping with state law -- when homosexual themes were going to be brought up in their 6-year-old's class. School officials wouldn't agree to do so and "urged" Parker to leave. When he didn't, they had him arrested.

    * Luke Whitson, a 10-year-old at the Karns Elementary School in Knoxville, Tenn., liked reading the Bible with his friends during recess. But when a parent complained, the public school's principal "demanded that they stop their activity at once, put their Bibles away, and . . . cease bringing their Bibles to school." That language is from a lawsuit Luke's parents have filed in federal court, where they are asking a judge to rule that school officials cannot prohibit religious expression during a student's free time.

    Once there was a solid consensus about how the nation's public schools should be run. In 1911, the Encyclopedia Britannica could assert with confidence that "the great mass of the American people are in entire agreement as to the principles which should control public education." But as the battles in Kansas, Massachusetts, and Tennessee -- and countless others like them -- make clear, that day is past.

    From issues of sexuality and religion to the broad themes of US history and politics, public opinion is fractured. Secular parents square off against believers, supporters of homosexual marriage against traditionalists, those stressing "safe sex" against those who emphasize abstinence. Each wants its views reflected in the classroom. No longer is there a common understanding of the mission of public education. To the extent that one camp's vision prevails, parents in the opposing camp are embittered. And there is no prospect that this will change -- not as long as the government remains in charge of educating American children.

    Which is why it's time to put an end to government control of the schools.

    There is nothing indispensable about a state role in education. Parents don't expect the government to provide their children's food or clothing or medical care; there is no reason why it must provide their schooling. An educated citizenry is a vital public good, of course. But like most such goods, a competitive and responsive private sector could do a much better job of supplying it than the public sector can.

    Imagine how diverse and vital American education could be if it were liberated from government control. There would be schools of every description -- just as there are restaurants, websites, and clothing styles of every description. Parents who wanted their children to be taught Darwinian evolution unsullied by leaps of faith in an Intelligent Designer would be able to choose schools in which religious notions played no role. Those who wanted their children to see God's hand in the miraculous tapestry of life all around them would send them to schools in which faith played a prominent role.

    Rather than fight over whether reading should be taught with Phonics or Whole Language, parents who felt strongly either way could choose a school that shared their outlook. Those who wanted their kids to learn in single-sex classes would send them to schools organized on that model; other parents would be free to pick schools in which boys and girls learned together. Some schools might reflect a Christian or Jewish or Muslim philosophy; others would be quite secular. In some, athletics would have a high priority; in others, there might be an emphasis on music, language, technology, or art. And no doubt many parents would stick with schools that resembled the ones their children attend now.

    With separation of school and state, the roiling education battles would come to a peaceful end. Robust competition and innovation would dramatically lower costs. Teachers, released from their one-size-fits-all straitjacket, would be happier in their chosen profession. Children would be happier, too -- and, perhaps best of all, better-educated to boot.
    Well im for as little governent as possible so this sounds great to me.

    Gah wrong room. Someone please move this into the backroom asap.
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    Done.
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    America needs some RE (religious education) lessons. Then you could teach all this Creation stuff and Bible read to your heart's content without everyone getting tetchy.

    Why's it anyone's business what people read at break anyway (assuming it's not porn or how to make bombs or whatever)?

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    I don't see why you can't mention intelligent design and randomness, and while you're at it, mention creationism too.

    Let the kids think for themselves.

    As for seperating education from the state, you get the problem of financing it all, do you have to finance every little cult group that wants its own school ?

    And you need to assure that every child gets a reasonably decent education. That they at least know that the theory of evolution exists and what it encompasses, that they can write and read, and that they know history in a vaguely correct manner, and so many other things.

    But on principle, I'm for freedom of education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc_bean
    Let the kids think for themselves.
    Wouldn't that make them go beserk and shoot everyone ??

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    I agree totally with Thoros on this matter, if you split the schools you split the country and a country that fractured won't go on for very long before you have lynch mobs in the streets and riots sweeping the country.

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    THis proves that the American school system is run by a leftist communist socialistic elite intent on the downfall of American values, and Christian Values, religion, beleif, practice, and culture. It also proves that it the American school systems are a leftist attempt to stifle the rightous, right-wing elements of a developing childs mind and brainwash them into following the trotskyist ideas that they preach as if they are human incarnates of God. I hate the American school system. I really do. It preaches that kids should never drink, never smoke, but then says it's ok to do somthing immoral like premarital sex as long as we use protection. Then comes the picture slidshow of STDs. Then they begin preaching on how man evolved from amoebas and the like, and how God is a lie, and how Socialism and Communism are good ideas and Capitalism is evil, and how war is evil and the military is evil, and that it's wrong for me to be a good, right wing, conservative, Christian. Instead, they try to stifle my beleifs and force apon me the evil darwinistic, stalinistic theories of evolution and crap like that. Why, oh why, did we allow Atheism to survive after what they did in the Soviet union? Why did we allow such oppressive evilness apon ourselves? But now, it is the student body, like myself, who must pay the price and try to fix the mistakes of these neo-marxist pigs.

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    In my opinion this doesen't breed diversity. Your taking kids out of real life (all that crap) and putting them in a closed environment chosen by their parents. That's probably best for say elementary school but as kids get older I think they need and should be faced with diversity and conflict in order for them to develop a stable, tolerant mentality. I'm saying this from experiance as I was in private school from grades 6-11 and it probably hurt me as much as it helped me. Ofcourse results may vary but once I developed more of my own mind I saw the reasons why it might not have been the best thing for me.

    But hey American public schools are a mess in more ways than one. I think it would be trading some problems for others though.

    What needs to happen in schools is for the the idiotic power struggles to stop and everything be taught equally but that's probably never going to happen. I can see all the same issues being brought up even if everything was given equal play some people still will not want their kids to see images of homosexual families or bible passages.
    Last edited by Thoros of Myr; 06-14-2005 at 12:24.

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