Why would we let this guy in?

**Tribesman** · 06-15-2005, 21:47

Why would we let someone like this into our country, I mean 21 previous convictions.
Lack of sharing information between states .
Even if he was a registered sex offender in Cyprus(if they have such a list over there) is there any requirement for them to share that info with other states . It is a crazy situation that happens all to frequently with people leaving one jurisdiction and entering another .
There have been many cases over here of dangerous perverts entering the country and repeating their crimes as their original country has no obligation to forward the data .
Though many have been caught after the crime due to the countries sharing their DNA database on offenders after the offences (but its a bit late then isn't it) . In this case though sharing the DNA would have been futile as he was a meticulously clever evil bastard who went to great lengths to prevent any DNA evidence from existing at the scene (metal fragments was the link in the end I believe) .
Since Britain (in this case) cannot even manage to track these beasts if they move from one constabulary area to another (Ian Huntley being a prime example of the failings) then is there any hope of tracking them across international borders ?

Death.
Would that be a slow and painful death Beirut ?

**Blodrast** · 06-15-2005, 23:01

hmm, but does British law _require_ immigrants to bring proof of former convictions and former criminal records ?
If it does, then I can't understand how they could let him in unless he provided such proof...in which case the immigration officer who reviewed his file should be finally taught Braille.
Of course, it's always possible to fake documents...

**JAG** · 06-16-2005, 03:27

We wouldn't have let him in if we knew of his previous convictions - but we didn't. Simple as that. Very unfortunate, but you can't blame the govt or the authorities.

**Papewaio** · 06-16-2005, 04:08

Doesn't it count as falsifying records. Most countries for a long term visa require some sort of police record check. So surely lying on an immigration form is/should be grounds for him to be thrown out?

**TonkaToys** · 06-16-2005, 08:47

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Doesn't it count as falsifying records. Most countries for a long term visa require some sort of police record check. So surely lying on an immigration form is/should be grounds for him to be thrown out?

True... but it is closing the door after the horse has bolted in this case. There is no point throwing him out after he has committed the crime... it is better to punish (oops, I mean rehabilitate) him.

**Fragony** · 06-16-2005, 08:54

Awwww he is only as crazy as can be, and insanity is just a state of mind. With edaquate help he can once again become a great citizin, and we all deserve a second chance, or ten second chances if needed. I ask you, did someone ever love him? So yes take him in, embrace him, cuddle him, love him. If everything goes well he won't reoffend for at least a year, what more of a reward do you need?

**TonkaToys** · 06-16-2005, 08:58

Originally Posted by Fragony

Awwww he is only as crazy as can be, and insanity is just a state of mind. With edaquate help he can once again become a great citizin, and we all deserve a second chance, or ten second chances if needed. I ask you, did someone ever love him? So yes take him in, embrace him, cuddle him, love him. If everything goes well he won't reoffend for at least a year, what more of a reward do you need?

IMHO it is better that we (UK) take him into custody rather than just kicking him out of the country so he can go and repeat his crimes elsewhere.
Whaddayafink?

**Ja'chyra** · 06-16-2005, 08:12

Originally Posted by JAG

We wouldn't have let him in if we knew of his previous convictions - but we didn't. Simple as that. Very unfortunate, but you can't blame the govt or the authorities.

While I don't want to start another argument on the subject of immigration, there's been a few already

, shouldn't a police search be a part of any application to enter the country for a prolonged period of time, say more than 6 months?

I realise this would add time to the application process, but you could reasonably expect this search to be done in a week if liaison offices were set up in embassy's.

**Blodrast** · 06-16-2005, 19:41

Originally Posted by JAG

We wouldn't have let him in if we knew of his previous convictions - but we didn't. Simple as that. Very unfortunate, but you can't blame the govt or the authorities.

But Jag, you haven't answered my question at all (and I assure you it was neither rhetorical, nor sarcastic in any way; I am simply not familiar with British immigration laws). What I asked was whether he was not _required_ to provide some police record or anything like that. I didn't say that the authorities let him in knowing about his past, but if they didn't know, why was that the case ?
I'm asking because all of the few countries I needed visas for longer periods (which is like, hm, 3 of them) required police records (several times, some of them). And I find that perfectly normal...

**thrashaholic** · 06-17-2005, 07:53

I believe the chap got British citizenship by marrying a British Cypriot though, so I don't think there was anything anyone could do to have prevented him moving to this country.

It's all a bit unfortunate really.