Help Me With Dutch Law

[_Martyr_]

I see nothing productive about that.

Ok... well fortunately that doesnt mean its wrong!

Justice is achieved. A life is taken by one person who then must pay for such a mortal crime with his own life - whether that be wasting away in prison or death.

Well, there is the irreconcilable, fundamental disagreement we have on this issue. This is the predominant view in the States, but it is generally viewed by most other western nations that this approach achieves absolutely nothing other than brutal revenge, note, not Justice. Call me a pansy wearing liberal pinko if you will, but I like to think that society has come along just a little since the middle ages when these customs, acts and laws were universal.

As a side note, I like the turkish prison system, or what its made out to be in the movies.

yeah... Im sure you do.

Western prisons are way too easy going. They should suffer every day, all day for what they did. Exercise rooms, cable, good food, and comfortable beds just dont cut it as punishment or rehabilitation.

Yeah... a real walk in the park!

[Proletariat]

Well, there is the irreconcilable, fundamental disagreement we have on this issue. This is the predominant view in the States, but it is generally viewed by most other western nations that this approach achieves absolutely nothing other than brutal revenge, note, not Justice. Call me a pansy wearing liberal pinko if you will, but I like to think that society has come along just a little since the middle ages when these customs, acts and laws were universal.

Then I'm a liberal pinko too, because this was put brilliantly.

[Meneldil]

Very good post _Martyr_

On a sidenote, in France, if you kill someone, or even a whole familly in a car accident, you'll likely get one or two years in jail, maybe more if you were drunk before the accident, but that's all.
Actually, I don't really understand why people still kill with guns and not by buying a big car and rolling over everyone

That's screwed.

[PanzerJaeger]

Yanks? invade us? please?

We dont invade, but we will help in the removal of a screwed up government.

I can PM you George's telephone number, i think we can squeeze you in between Syria and France.

[Fragony]

We dont invade, but we will help in the removal of a screwed up government.

I can PM you George's telephone number, i think we can squeeze you in between Syria and France.

Great! Now get on with it. I just found out that the killer (see photo above) allready escaped 7 times when on leave! Now that is hardly a reason to watch him better in lalaland. I got a laserpointer, if I point it at The Hague at the correct building, can you guys shower it with a few sidewinder rockets? Or one of these nifty baby nukes!

[A.Saturnus]

LET ME TELL YOU SOMTHING: CRIMINALS DON'T REHIBILITATE!

Saying something - however loud - doesn`t make it true. The fact is that in Germany most convicted murderers never seriously come into conflict with law again. So the claim that rehabilitation doesn`t work seems to be incorrect.

[doc_bean]

accident,

That says it all doesn't it ?

Accidents are things you try to avoid, or at the very least don't want to happen. If you followed all the rules, i don't think you should be jailed at all.

Have you ever driven around in a suburban/urban surrounding ? People seem to leap out from everywhere, kids are worse. Damn things act like they're immortal.

[Meneldil]

Either it's an accident or not, killing a whole familly and getting only a few years in jail is *not* right.

Furthermore, a lot of these 'accidents' happen because someone did drive while being drunk or on drugs, or was trying to run an illegal race, or some other crap like that. That's a total lack of respect for other citizens, and it deserve a serious punishment.

And when you drive in a urban surrouding, you're supposed to drive more carefully than ever.
But yeah, things like that may happen. Though there's a difference between killing someone when you are respecting the rules/laws, and when you are outlaw.

[Husar]

I like to say that if you want to kill many people here, try to kill them all before someone catches you, be fast, because then you get those 20 years only once. If you miss one of 500 persons, you will have to kill him 20 years later and get punishment of another 5 years, so be fast.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

You see? Indonesia has a good law system. Do somthing bad, you don't have a chance to do it again buddy. Instead though, we have the socialistic pinkos of society forcing upon "rehibilitation" and "prisoners rights" LET ME TELL YOU SOMTHING: CRIMINALS DON'T REHIBILITATE! They never have, and they sure as hell never will. So by keeping Rapists, pedophiles, druggies, etc alive you are risking the lives of innocent people.