Help Me With Dutch Law

[Husar]

I can point you to a number of studies that will tell you that during teenage years the brain is undergoing a growth spurt on the level that a three year old goes through. During this time teenagers don't have alot of self control, infact a pre-pubescant probably is able to act more rationaly than a 15-16-17 year old.

Erm, well, I wouldn´t even believe those studies, but maybe that is due to the (christian) way my parents brought me up and that our family is intact and doesn´t belong to the 52% divorce rate we have here. How can children grow up in a normal way if their moms or dads change every few years?
But I won´t go any deeper into that.#
Maybe there is some brain development, but that doesn´t excuse murder in any way, hope we agree on that.

[bmolsson]

In Indonesia you get death for murder. Had a serial killer last year that got that. Yesterday a Pakistani citizen got death penalty for drug trafficking and I believe that next month we will see 2 out of 5 bombers of the Australian embassy get that too. What I can't understand is that Americans keeps on critizing Indonesia for being to rough, isn't it death penalty you guy's want it to be ??

[PanzerJaeger]

Said by Goofball-

Then I would imagine you would also cry out for regime change in a country that let's it's soldiers murder unarmed, wounded prisoners and lets them off with not so much as a slap on the wrist.

Nope because I understand the nature of war and what a combat situation dictates.. nice try though.

Said by Martyr-

Well, there is the irreconcilable, fundamental disagreement we have on this issue. This is the predominant view in the States, but it is generally viewed by most other western nations that this approach achieves absolutely nothing other than brutal revenge, note, not Justice. Call me a pansy wearing liberal pinko if you will, but I like to think that society has come along just a little since the middle ages when these customs, acts and laws were universal.

I dont have a problem with agreeing to disagree. Oh and i would call you a pansy liberal pinko but i fear you would enjoy it.

Said by Jimbob-

Nothing productive? Instead of taking two people out of the population, you take one, and replace one useless being with a human who is willing to work and sees their errors. Is that not a greater justice? If you died would you rather have your death destroy another, or have that person reenter society and do good?

Your idealism doesnt change reality. Also, where is the justice in allowing a murderer to enjoy a good life that the victim was robbed of. Taking human life in a "cold blooded" manner strips someone of their basic humanity, and they dont deserve it back.

I can point you to a number of studies that will tell you that during teenage years the brain is undergoing a growth spurt on the level that a three year old goes through. During this time teenagers don't have alot of self control, infact a pre-pubescant probably is able to act more rationaly than a 15-16-17 year old.

Cite them please. I was 15, 16 and even 17 and I had the basic self control it takes not to kill another human being, as did all my friends. No, im sorry, hormonal changes excuse a lot of things, but not murder.

Said by Bmolsson-

In Indonesia you get death for murder. Had a serial killer last year that got that. Yesterday a Pakistani citizen got death penalty for drug trafficking and I believe that next month we will see 2 out of 5 bombers of the Australian embassy get that too. What I can't understand is that Americans keeps on critizing Indonesia for being to rough, isn't it death penalty you guy's want it to be ??

I dont!

Indonesia, even with its imperfections, is a great example for the rest of the muslim world and even the west should adopt some of its stances, like their tough position on drugs.

[kiwitt]

In New Zealand it is the same as Holland; about 20 years (less for good behaviour).

It seems to work here, we do not need to try harsher sentences (i.e. Death Penalty) as a deterrent. It is better to try and rehabilitate the individual.

Have a look at these statistics

We have in New Zealand about 1 a week, whereas United States, which has the Death Penalty has the equivalent of 4 a week if populations were equal.

[PanzerJaeger]

The population makeup has to be examined though. America has a much larger under-class than NZ. That has a lot more to do with crime than prison sentences.

Now ive never been to NZ but it seems to my you dont have to deal with the inner city violence on a level that America does. I may be wrong though, as I know that part of the world has issues with asian immigrants.

[kiwitt]

We have our problems with "gangs", "drugs", etc. and is not particular safe in the earlier hours of the morning. Our Assault rates are similar, but escalating to murder does not seem to occur as much.

Interestingly, NZ has more than twice as much burglaries per capita than the US.