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    A vote was passed to amend the Patriot Act, used to help investigators monitor terrorist activities, which restricts fundamental liberties.

    Bush snubbed on 'terror book' law

    Powers to gather information on the books people buy in US bookshops and rent from libraries should be repealed, the House of Representatives has said.

    The House voted by 238-187 to pass an amendment to the USA Patriot Act, despite threats from the White House to veto changes to the anti-terror law.

    Backers of the amendment said elements of the act were unconstitutional.

    The US Senate, which needs to approve any bill for it to become law, has not yet voted on the measure.

    "We can fight terrorism without undermining basic constitutional rights," said Bernie Sanders, an independent representative from the north-eastern state of Vermont, who proposed the measure.

    "Parents want to know that just because their kid is researching the life of Osama bin Laden, or researching terrorism, that that fact should not place the student on a government list," he added.

    Liberty argument

    The White House has strongly opposed any changes to the Patriot Act, which was passed by a strong majority in both the House and the Senate in the wake of the 9/11 terror attacks in 2001.

    The US Counterterrorism Center in Virginia
    Millions of dollars have been invested in counter-terrorism

    Under current legislation US investigators have the right to access library records and details of which books people buy in bookshops.

    There is no requirement to prove that those under observation are suspected of committing or planning any crime or act of terror.

    The Patriot Act has become a key issue for civil libertarians in the US, who allege that the provisions of the act undermine the US constitution and restrict basic freedoms.

    "If the government suspects someone is looking up how to make atom bombs, go to a court and get a search warrant," New York Democrat Jerold Nadler said.

    Government angry

    Mr Sanders' amendment was passed with the help of 38 Republican members, who voted for the measure alongside Democrats.

    A similar measure that also proposed outlawing the right to monitor internet use was defeated in the House last year.

    "The passage of this amendment helps rein in an administration intent on chipping away at the very civil liberties that define us as a nation," he said.

    But Assistant Attorney General William Moschella lambasted the amendment in a letter to Congress.

    "[Bookshops and libraries] should not be carved out as safe havens for terrorists and spies, who have, in fact, used public libraries to do research and communicate with their co-conspirators," he wrote.
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    Good , they're regaining their senses
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    Took them long enough though....

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    I never actually realised this was covered under the Patriot Act, but I guess it's the sort of thing I assumed would be contained in its grim words.

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    If youre not a terrorist, why should you worry?

    I (small) triumph in the battle to regain our civil liberties.
    Oh please.. How have you or your liberties been affected by the Patriot Act?

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    If youre not a terrorist, why should you worry?
    Well that depends on what they do with the information , if you buy a copy of Mein Kampf do you appear on the list of possible neo-nazis , if you buy a Koran do you appear on the list of possible Muslim fundamentalists , if you buy a biography of Che Guevara do you appear on the list of possible communist revolutionaries ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager
    If youre not a terrorist, why should you worry?

    Oh please.. How have you or your liberties been affected by the Patriot Act?
    sooo...I take it it's ok with you that the government knows what books you're reading, what TV programs you're watching, what you're thinking and who you're talking to...

    perhaps a re-read of 1984 is in order ? ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager
    If youre not a terrorist, why should you worry?



    Oh please.. How have you or your liberties been affected by the Patriot Act?
    in this forum i read just yesterday someone describing the compulsory seat belt law like an infringement on personal liberties......

    but the patriot act is no problem......go figure...
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    We're doomed.

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