Jebus.

[Mikeus Caesar]

My friend told me yesterday that he had finally played a game to a point further than 0 AD. On telling me this, i asked him if the Birth of Jebus was a historical event, and, he replied yes, saying it happens in (yep, you guessed it) 0 AD. I was just wondering, but is there actually a grain of truth in this? And why would CA include this event, which could so easily not have happened if the Romans hadn't come to power. After all, the Romans had the Census which brought Mary to Bethlahem, which led the Three Kings there. After all, if the Egyptians or some neighbouring faction had been in control at the time, they wouldn't have had the Census, which would mean Jebus would stay wherever Mary and Joseph lived, which would have meant no one would have known of his birth. This raises a lot of questions...

[BrutalDictatorship]

Jebus? lmao

[bodidley]

Hmmm, aside from the fact that Jesus was born in 1 A.D. and that 0 A.D. is not a date I have to say it's no less improbable of an event than any historical event they decided to put into the game. One has to remember that the probability of any individual being born at all is very slim, since it hinges on the exact right gametes being there at the exact right time, and any inventor, philosopher, politician, or general might have taken a different course in life anyhow.

[BrutalDictatorship]

I still want to know who "Jebus" is?

[Mikeus Caesar]

Jebus = Jesus. Anyways, 0 AD was close to 1 AD, wasn't it?

Hmmm, aside from the fact that Jesus was born in 1 A.D. and that 0 A.D. is not a date I have to say it's no less improbable of an event than any historical event they decided to put into the game. One has to remember that the probability of any individual being born at all is very slim, since it hinges on the exact right gametes being there at the exact right time, and any inventor, philosopher, politician, or general might have taken a different course in life anyhow.

Precisely what i was trying to say. I'm just not very good at saying things. Anyway, first that particular historical person has to be born. What if history had taken a different path, and Jebus' ancestors had been killed by Marauding Romans back when that particular region was conquered? Obviously, he wouldn't have been born. And even if he had been born, what if his family had been made into slaves by the Romans, and were somewhere else in the empire, such as Spain, or France? They definately won't make it to Bethlehem for the Census.

[Mongoose]

I still want to know who "Jebus" is?

He is the masibus...

[Monk]

I still want to know who "Jebus" is?

"Hey did anyone else notice this? on page 375 it says "Jebus"."

"...it's supposed to be Jesus, right?"

Sorry, couldn't resist. Anyway, no. I highly doubt this is true. The game doesn't extend to the time when he began his following so why would the game announce his birth?

[asilv]

I still want to know who "Jebus" is?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=12521

[Mikeus Caesar]

Sorry, couldn't resist. Anyway, no. I highly doubt this is true. The game doesn't extend to the time when he began his following so why would the game announce his birth?

I don't know why the game would announce his birth. Maybe because it's one of the most historical events in human history?

[Gregorius Vecchius]

Hmmm, aside from the fact that Jesus was born in 1 A.D. and that 0 A.D. is not a date I have to say it's no less improbable of an event than any historical event they decided to put into the game. One has to remember that the probability of any individual being born at all is very slim, since it hinges on the exact right gametes being there at the exact right time, and any inventor, philosopher, politician, or general might have taken a different course in life anyhow.

Actually I hear it was something like 5 or 6 BC, which makes the term BC in itself kinda ... wrong.

[Gregorius Vecchius]

I don't know why the game would announce his birth. Maybe because it's one of the most historical events in human history?

how can something be 'more historical'? either it's historical, or it's not, no?

[Monk]

I still find it hard to believe as it wasn't important to the time period portrayed in rtw. Show me a screen of the announcement; then i'll change my mind.

[The Stranger]

Actually I hear it was something like 5 or 6 BC, which makes the term BC in itself kinda ... wrong.

yes yes. i think 1 year before christ was born is still 1 BC no matter if the actual year was 2900000000

[Uriel]

Actually, if you take the gospels as historically accurate, Jesus could have been born no later than 4BC. Why? Herod the Great (Mr baby killer himself) died around Spring 4BC. Some historians and biblical commentators think that he could have been born as early as 12BC but the genral consensus is around 5 or 6 BC.

This is why we now tend to use CE (Current Era) rather than BC. It's not just people being PC.

Oh - and the years went 2BC, 1BC, 1AD, 2AD etc (but I'm pretty sure they didn't call them that at the time.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Actually, if you take the gospels as historically accurate, Jesus could have been born no later than 4BC. Why? Herod the Great (Mr baby killer himself) died around Spring 4BC. Some historians and biblical commentators think that he could have been born as early as 12BC but the genral consensus is around 5 or 6 BC.

This is why we now tend to use CE (Current Era) rather than BC. It's not just people being PC.

Oh - and the years went 2BC, 1BC, 1AD, 2AD etc (but I'm pretty sure they didn't call them that at the time.

I think 2 BC is the most popular one. Based on astronomy they've also found evens that could be the big star. One took place during midsummer and another one around the 25th of December that same year.

[The Stranger]

but there is no 2bc, the day' he's born is 0, the year after is 1 AD the year before is 1BC. even if the year is the 689 moon year or 131414313413441314321 dec or sumthing like that

[Franconicus]

My friend told me yesterday that he had finally played a game to a point further than 0 AD. On telling me this, i asked him if the Birth of Jebus was a historical event, and, he replied yes, saying it happens in (yep, you guessed it) 0 AD. I was just wondering, but is there actually a grain of truth in this? And why would CA include this event, which could so easily not have happened if the Romans hadn't come to power. After all, the Romans had the Census which brought Mary to Bethlahem, which led the Three Kings there. After all, if the Egyptians or some neighbouring faction had been in control at the time, they wouldn't have had the Census, which would mean Jebus would stay wherever Mary and Joseph lived, which would have meant no one would have known of his birth. This raises a lot of questions...

Mikeus,
it had to be the way it was. It was told by the prophets and written in the book. Nothing could have changed it. It was HIS plan from the very beginning!

[antisocialmunky]

Men change their plans for God, it's not the other way around.

[Rodion Romanovich]

but there is no 2bc, the day' he's born is 0, the year after is 1 AD the year before is 1BC. even if the year is the 689 moon year or 131414313413441314321 dec or sumthing like that

Yeah, it should really be called 2 BOYIBTBYOBOC , meaning 1 Before Old Year Incorrectly Believed To Be Year Of Birth Of Christ, but that's a little unpractical...

[The Stranger]

hmm

[IliaDN]

Actualy I understand where did you get info that Jesus was born on 2 B.C. , if the new count 9 A.D. 0 begins from the date of his birth?

Edit: DID NOT UNDERSTAND.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Actualy I understand where did you get info that Jesus was born on 2 B.C. , if the new count 9 A.D. 0 begins from the date of his birth?

Me? I read it in a book
It depends on problems in the keeping record of time through all these years, so there was early a conclusion that you couldn't be sure year 0 was year 0. Then, based on historical data, some historians and others have made calculations and stuff, which suggests years like 2 BC, 3 BC and 7 BC with the current time are the most likely years for the exact time of birth.

[Uriel]

I think 2 BC is the most popular one. Based on astronomy they've also found evens that could be the big star. One took place during midsummer and another one around the 25th of December that same year.

Actually, to take 2BC as the date, you have to ignore to accounts of Jesus' birth and early life in Matthew and Luke. Dates for Herod the Great are pretty much confirmed. He died 2 years before that. The fact of the matter is nobody really knows the year Jesus was born. That's why we've got so many dates flying around!

[IliaDN]

In my opinion it is a bit Monastery stuff ...

[bubbanator]

I am not positive, but I saw in some timeline thing in social studies that he was born in 4bc and that when he was four, he started talking about God for the first time and that is when AD started.

AD is the abbriviation for some latin phrase that means "In The Year of Our Lord"

He didn't talk about God until that point so it wouldn't have actualy been "In the Year of Our Lord" until he started talking about God

[IliaDN]

If this is correct things became clearer ... thanks !!!!!

[Epistolary Richard]

For those interested in what the RTW event _actually_ says please see this post.

Recap for the detail impaired

[Gregorius Vecchius]

If this is correct things became clearer ... thanks !!!!!

Well, it isn't correct. AD (Anno domini, the year of our lord) refers to Jebus himself. Remember, Gob, Jebus and the Holy Bhost are actually one and the same.
The reason why he was born before he was born (if you're still with me) is that our calendar was made by Greborius who calculated wrong the date of the birth of Jebus. He created an adjusted calendar to make the seasons fit in the year again, based on the calendar of Jubian, the Roman emperor (the Julian calendar).
Now we are a bit more intelligent, in some ways, and we managed to come to the conclusion that Jeb was actually born a bit earlier than Greb thought he was.

[Mikeus Caesar]

I also heard btw, that there was no way Jebus could have been born in 1 AD/1 BC anyway, because i think that the closest Roman Census around that time was in 4BC and the next one was going to be in 4 AD, and since, as someone pointed out, Herod died in 4 BC, Jebus must have been born around then, but that's not the point just now. I just want to know, is there actually a message pronouncing the birth of Jebus?

[Epistolary Richard]

Mikeus I have answered you twice already. Please see my post above.