Club G'itmo

[PanzerJaeger]

None of the countries pose a threat, Iraq never even did.

Oh really - Ask George H. W. Bush - he may disagree. Saddam had a whole country and billions of dollars at his disposal, was actively attacking American forces, supported terrorists, and tried to have national leaders assassinated.. thats a threat in my book.

I'm afraid that's the problem though, without Israel we wouldn't be in this mess. The Israeli took over muslim territory, the US helped them out. Everyone is screwed a few decades later.

When was that ever muslim territory. I believe it was British and the UN gave it to the Israelis.

Bleh, they should have solved their own problems. You have an obligation to NATO and a few other countries because of international agreements, whether or not you should try to get out of those is your business. The US shouldn't be the world police.

Who said we were the world police. .we act when our national security is threatened or when the world community asks us to help.

The UN was formed to try and be the world police, but well, we all know how that is working out. Again, not the concern of the US.

I dont believe in the UN but Korea and Iraq 1 were good causes.

And might I add, you really are ruthless, you'd kill millions of people, imprison thousands of others and destroy entire countries so a few people can feel save, just because they happen to live in the US. It's an interesting perspective.

Oh Im ruthless? Your the one who would leave the Kuwaitis and Saudis to Saddam. Your the one who would have America abandon her obligations around the world. I never advocated killing millions - only dissolving arab governments and armies in the mideast. It doesnt look like youve got much of a high horse to be preaching from.

[Steppe Merc]

if people are so concerned about Muslim land in Israel why don't you also complain about the loss of almost all of the Christian Arab communities in Palestine? There used to be loads. Now, between the Israelis and the Muslims they've almost all left.

Why? Because Isreal actually has a government that is actively persecuting the Palestinians and we are actively helping them kill those innocecents. And Christian communites were sadly persecuted starting a long time ago, around the Crusades. From what I understand, it wasn't really a new thing, though I may be wrong.

Who said we were the world police. .we act when our national security is threatened or when the world community asks us to help.

National security was never threatned by Iraq. What can he have done? Nothing.
And world community? What is that? A few countries that the government decides to listen to while ignoring those that are against the war? Make up your mind: do you want to listen to the rest of the world or not? Cause it can't be both.

When was that ever muslim territory. I believe it was British and the UN gave it to the Israelis.

It was Muslim terrotory going back for hundreds of years. The way I see it, Isrealis got it only because they got kicked out of it thousands of years ago. Not great claims, if you ask me.

PJ, conquering terrotories would never work. You think they pose a risk and hate us now? They will kill, and fight until either they are dead or all the soldiers we have are. That would be a worse sink hole than Nam. The only way to stop the hatred is to stop helping Isreal, actually get the Iraqi and Afgani governments up and running independently, and leave.

Invasion will help nothing. It will cost countless of more innocent lives, including Americans.

[doc_bean]

Oh really - Ask George H. W. Bush - he may disagree. Saddam had a whole country and billions of dollars at his disposal, was actively attacking American forces, supported terrorists, and tried to have national leaders assassinated.. thats a threat in my book.

He could have never attacked to US. He knew you were coming back however, he tried to be prepared, he failed miserably.

When was that ever muslim territory. I believe it was British and the UN gave it to the Israelis.

Since the Prophet himself, or just about I guess. It might have belonged to other nations in name, but there were still muslims living there, working their land and praying to Allah. Israel drove them out of their homes and took their land, and keeps expanding to this day.


Who said we were the world police. .we act when our national security is threatened or when the world community asks us to help.

Oh Im ruthless? Your the one who would leave the Kuwaitis and Saudis to Saddam. Your the one who would have America abandon her obligations around the world. I never advocated killing millions - only dissolving arab governments and armies in the mideast. It doesnt look like youve got much of a high horse to be preaching from.

The way we are fighting the war today - no. The only thing keeping us from completely destroying the insurgency is our desire to help the iraqis out. If we werent so worried about rebuilding that country and making it into a democracy, our weaponry could render the nation harmless for decades to come.

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The only way I see to win this war is to occupy the entire middle east and make the people there so fearful and yet so dependent on the US they wouldnt think about harming us. It will be possible soon with very few casualties with the latest military weaponry being developed.

You seem to be in favor of taking away all their rights at self government, removing all anti-government (yours) thought and want to do this using force.

Is this so different from what Saddam was doing ?

[PanzerJaeger]

Errr . no flashbacks in that post Panzer , whats up ? if you can't attack the points in the post attack the poster ?

Thats not a very even-handed opinion Tribesman considering he attacked me first. At least my response was factual, albeit a bit insulting..

[Tribesman]

At least my response was factual,
Factual ? Well lets see shall we ?......nope no flashbacks in the post so that bit cannot be factual can it
Thats not a very even-handed opinion Tribesman considering he attacked me first.
Since when do you expect me to be even handed ? that wouldn't be a very good way to stir the progress of discussion would it
Sorry Panzer , but I thought you believed in respecting the views of veterans who have seen combat service defending your adoptive country . Or does that courtesy only extend to back room soldiers hundreds of miles away from actual combat that keep on telling you how they could have won the war and how you can win the next one ?

[PanzerJaeger]

LoL im not one to let an attack go without response.

In any event I lost any respect for him after he questioned another veteran's record because he was conservative. Thats pretty low in my book.

[GoreBag]

Ahem. Back to the topic at hand.

Funny shirts. I'd get one, but they're not really my flavour. www.tshirthell.com had some good ones, but they took down the "worse than hell" section.