Club G'itmo

[Steppe Merc]

No, I know. I was just saying.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Gawain, you leave me all confused. Is everybody but you a liberal? Is Dick Cheney too left for your taste these days?

Oh come on. Its just another case of PC gone to far and the power of the press. They refer to it so often as an insurgency that everyone calls it that. Who was it said that if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it? You know like claiming to be Palestinains. The last time I checked an insurgency was an organized rebellion aimed at overthrowing a constituted government through the use of subversion and armed conflict . Fighters from another country do not constitute an insurgency.

[KafirChobee]

This posting certainly went sideways ... in a heart beat.

I would be curious where JP gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist hostory of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.

Balfour (agreement), 234, 278 UN resolutions, etc. Still, the Jewish take over of the present state of Israel was not exactly legal. Even "Exodus" (Uris' book) which is highly biased - points out that the Christian, Jew, and Muslim communities of that area were peaceful - and had been for centuries. Until the displaced European survivors of Auscwitz (ms? etc) joined the radicals there to steal a homeland. Without America's acknowledement of Israel as being a nation - it may have never been a reality.

That is why the arab community distrusts the US. We seem to side with anyone that opposes them. And, after the Israel became a "fact" - and the displacement of countless Muslims from their historical (family homes and farms, without compensation) we simply ignored them. Then wondered why they were upset. Gee, wouldn't you want your child growing up in a permanent refugee camp?

Iraq, is our latest follie in how not to gain the hearts and minds of a people our leaders neither comprehend, nor care to. They ignore, silence or erase anyone that actually understands the history and situation of the region.

Somewhere along the line we lost our talent for diplomacy without showing off our guns. A nation cannot gain the trust needed to attain a true peace, if at every opportunity they are rolling out their tanks for their solution to every problem.

The other day I saw where nearly 70% of Americans want all our soldiers home within the next two years. It is beginning to look alot like another quagmire we went into; blind about the culture, religion, history, mores, attitudes, or social systems. We just assume everyone wants to be like us. They don't. We just believe democracy is the cutest little thing, and ought to be mandatory for all other nations ('cept the dictatorships under our control). Some do, but they would appreciate it if we allowed them to find their form of it, in their own time and ways.

Americans have never been known for their patience (not since WWII, anyway). We have become an instant gratification society. Get it done, NOW! Give me, NOW! It is simply the way we have become.

Americans have never done anything wrong. Well, maybe a few did - but, they were a minority - and had they known they would be caught, they wouldn't have done it. See, we all be the true moralists for the world. When is the world going to learn this simple, honest fact?

Americans have never made a mistake either. 'nam was really the French guys fault. Todays fubar is , er ... Saddams. Yeah, that's the ticket. Not us, always someone else - that forced us to take action (drop bombs, run tanks through their fields, kill a bunch of 'em). But, America never makes a mistake - or has to say "we're sorry".

[PanzerJaeger]

I would be curious where JP gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist hostory of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.

Just out of curiosity, how many countries have you been to? Oh, besides Vietnam - its sort of hard to not know youve been there since you bring it up in every post to try and garner some kind of sympathetic respect to give your rants more weight. Its kind of strange really, because we have other Vietnam vets here on the forum yet their arguments stand on their own - no flashbacks required.

[Tribesman]

no flashbacks required
Errr . no flashbacks in that post Panzer , whats up ? if you can't attack the points in the post attack the poster ?

[KafirChobee]

This posting certainly went sideways ... in a heart beat.

I would be curious where PJ gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist history of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.

(edited for spelling errors)

What attack? I asked a question. If the only means by which you have to answer it is by ignoring the question, and lashing out at the presentor - then please, next time ignore it completely and remain silent.

As someone once said, "It is wiser to remain silent and let them think you a fool, than open your mouth and confirm it". Or, words to that affect.

[Xiahou]

I would be curious where PJ gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist history of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.

So you're saying that was a sincere question? I thought you were trying to say he was naive and immature- guess I read it wrong....

[Tribesman]

I lost any respect for him after he questioned another veteran's record because he was conservative. Thats pretty low in my book.
(cough) John Kerry (cough)

[PanzerJaeger]

(cough) John Kerry (cough)

What John Kerry did is a great example of what Kafir does constantly.

He used his veteran status to embolden his political ideology, just as Kafir "reports for duty" in threads and claims some superior knowledge simply because he went through Vietnam. And when another veteran challenged his stance, all he could do was question that veteran's military record. Pathetic.

I would be curious where JP gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist hostory of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.

Not a personal attack - right.

And like his hero Mr. Kerry - he backpeddles when someone challenges him with his own words. "I voted for it, before I voted against it."

[doc_bean]

On a side note, now that John Kerry's records have been released, where the Swift boat veterans right or wrong ?

[KafirChobee]

What John Kerry did is a great example of what Kafir does constantly.

He used his veteran status to embolden his political ideology, just as Kafir "reports for duty" in threads and claims some superior knowledge simply because he went through Vietnam. And when another veteran challenged his stance, all he could do was question that veteran's military record. Pathetic.

Not a personal attack - right.

And like his hero Mr. Kerry - he backpeddles when someone challenges him with his own words. "I voted for it, before I voted against it."

Say what? What does John Kerry have to do with G'itmo? And where did I bring up my veteran status in this discussion?? Or, when did I ever claim hero status? Or, question another vets military record (aside from Bush43's)?

Still, if that is how you interpret me ... fine. I recall using personal experience, but I don't recall ever saying that because of those experiences they made my political perceptions an absolute for all to adhere to. I have said that one's experiences make them what they are. Go experience a few negative ones, or even better walk in the other mans shoes first before flying off your holyier than tho couch.

Put yourself in a man at Gitmo, held without the hope of trial or even the need for judicial justification. A place where the FBI has stated that torture is a routine occurance and that the Koran has been degraded in front of prisoners to force confessions.

Gee, what a great place.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Exciting news. A new product.

All New! Club G'itmo Polo

In institutional orange featuring the Club G'itmo logo, embroidered on the left chest. 100% cotton picque, short-sleeved with 3 button placket, ribbed collar and cuffs, and double needle top stitching. Available in sizes M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL and XXXXL.



Available for delivery using shipping method selected on July 1st.

Rush says this is the hotest line of stuff hes ever had. Better hurry and get them while you can. Sure to be a collectors item.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Cant keep up to demand and making obsecne profits on these poor tewrrorists

This whole program takes Rick Warren's concept and builds on it. Let me get back to what she's written here. "Warren isn't a bad guy - he may be selling low-carb scripture but basically the message is service to humankind and there's nothing wrong with that." Then she quotes from our website: "Due to the extraordinary demand for G'itmo merchandise, shipment of overnight and 2nd day orders will be delayed for 2-4 days." We are still being overrun with requests for Club G'itmo gear. So she ends this piece by asking this question: "What are you doing with the money, Rush? What's your purpose in life?" Deanne, here's what we're doing with the money. We are paying for the merchandise that we're buying. We are paying for the shipping of the merchandise that other people buy. We have some other expenses, but after all the expenses are finished, what's left over is profit, and we're keeping it. It may be a strange concept to others, but we're keeping it. It's called profit. We took a risk here. We went into the business of manufacturing some Club G'itmo gear. We offered it for sale. We didn't know if it would work or not. It's working out. So we're reaping the rewards of taking the risk. Now, what am I doing with the money that I keep? Deanne, if you have to ask, if you have to dig deep to find out whether or not this is a charitable program, go talk to the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society of America, or go talk to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement scholarship people.

OMG hes keeping his profit. What will he resort to next?

LINK

[Gawain of Orkeny]

A new branch of club Gitmo has opened. Its club gitmo east located in Iraq




This stuff is flying off the shelves.

[PanzerJaeger]

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Buissiness is booming. New products being added but its hard to keep up to demand.

NEW! Club G'itmo Car Flag

Drive across the fruited plain flying your Club G'itmo Car Flag: Durable knit polyester car flag, hooks on to car windows. Each measures 11 3/4" high x 14" wide on a 20 1/2" white vinyl mast, and features our best-selling Club G'itmo tag line: "Your Tropical Retreat from the Stress of Jihad."

THIS NEW ITEM WILL BEGIN SHIPPING THE WEEK OF AUGUST 1ST
$21.95

NEW! Club G'itmo Soap-On-A-Rope

What first class resort doesn't have soap on a rope? Club G'itmo Soap-On-A-Rope Set: 2 bars of Club G'itmo soap measuring 4" wide x 2" tall x approx 1" thick.

THIS NEW ITEM WILL BEGIN SHIPPING THE WEEK OF AUGUST 1ST.
$16.95

NEW! Jihad Java Cafe Travel Mug

By popular demand! Jihad Java Cafe Travel Mug: Everybody's favorite mug in a 15 oz. travel version! Navy imprint on a bright acrylic orange exterior with stainless steel liner.

THIS NEW ITEM WILL BEGIN SHIPPING THE WEEK OF AUGUST 1ST.
$18.95

Hats and shirts are starting to get backlogged. If you want these new products please order in advance as demand will be large.

[Franconicus]

This is the entertainment that is wainting there:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/inte...365294,00.html

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2...0714report.pdf

Enjoy your holidays!

[Hurin_Rules]

Just for the historical record:

Palestine was Muslim land from the initial spread of Islam there in the middle of the 7th century until the British and French carved up sections of the Ottoman empire in the early 20th century. The one brief interlude was during the Crusades, 1099-1187 (with some of the coastal cities hanging on until the fall of Acre in 1291). So, about 1,000 years or so.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

So what.

[Tribesman]

A new branch of club Gitmo has opened. Its club gitmo east located in Iraq
Nice picture , is it part of the winning hearts and minds initiative ?