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    This posting certainly went sideways ... in a heart beat.

    I would be curious where JP gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist hostory of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.

    Balfour (agreement), 234, 278 UN resolutions, etc. Still, the Jewish take over of the present state of Israel was not exactly legal. Even "Exodus" (Uris' book) which is highly biased - points out that the Christian, Jew, and Muslim communities of that area were peaceful - and had been for centuries. Until the displaced European survivors of Auscwitz (ms? etc) joined the radicals there to steal a homeland. Without America's acknowledement of Israel as being a nation - it may have never been a reality.

    That is why the arab community distrusts the US. We seem to side with anyone that opposes them. And, after the Israel became a "fact" - and the displacement of countless Muslims from their historical (family homes and farms, without compensation) we simply ignored them. Then wondered why they were upset. Gee, wouldn't you want your child growing up in a permanent refugee camp?

    Iraq, is our latest follie in how not to gain the hearts and minds of a people our leaders neither comprehend, nor care to. They ignore, silence or erase anyone that actually understands the history and situation of the region.

    Somewhere along the line we lost our talent for diplomacy without showing off our guns. A nation cannot gain the trust needed to attain a true peace, if at every opportunity they are rolling out their tanks for their solution to every problem.

    The other day I saw where nearly 70% of Americans want all our soldiers home within the next two years. It is beginning to look alot like another quagmire we went into; blind about the culture, religion, history, mores, attitudes, or social systems. We just assume everyone wants to be like us. They don't. We just believe democracy is the cutest little thing, and ought to be mandatory for all other nations ('cept the dictatorships under our control). Some do, but they would appreciate it if we allowed them to find their form of it, in their own time and ways.

    Americans have never been known for their patience (not since WWII, anyway). We have become an instant gratification society. Get it done, NOW! Give me, NOW! It is simply the way we have become.

    Americans have never done anything wrong. Well, maybe a few did - but, they were a minority - and had they known they would be caught, they wouldn't have done it. See, we all be the true moralists for the world. When is the world going to learn this simple, honest fact?

    Americans have never made a mistake either. 'nam was really the French guys fault. Todays fubar is , er ... Saddams. Yeah, that's the ticket. Not us, always someone else - that forced us to take action (drop bombs, run tanks through their fields, kill a bunch of 'em). But, America never makes a mistake - or has to say "we're sorry".

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    I would be curious where JP gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist hostory of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.
    Just out of curiosity, how many countries have you been to? Oh, besides Vietnam - its sort of hard to not know youve been there since you bring it up in every post to try and garner some kind of sympathetic respect to give your rants more weight. Its kind of strange really, because we have other Vietnam vets here on the forum yet their arguments stand on their own - no flashbacks required.

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    no flashbacks required
    Errr . no flashbacks in that post Panzer , whats up ? if you can't attack the points in the post attack the poster ?

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    Fighters from another country do not constitute an insurgency.
    So Gawain , since there are a number of different groups everyone should refer to insurgents , loyalists , religeous/ethnic/political seperatists and foriegn terrorists every time they talk about Iraq . Oh yes and add in local criminal elements just for good measure .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager
    Oh really - Ask George H. W. Bush - he may disagree. Saddam had a whole country and billions of dollars at his disposal, was actively attacking American forces, supported terrorists, and tried to have national leaders assassinated.. thats a threat in my book.
    He could have never attacked to US. He knew you were coming back however, he tried to be prepared, he failed miserably.


    When was that ever muslim territory. I believe it was British and the UN gave it to the Israelis.
    Since the Prophet himself, or just about I guess. It might have belonged to other nations in name, but there were still muslims living there, working their land and praying to Allah. Israel drove them out of their homes and took their land, and keeps expanding to this day.


    Who said we were the world police. .we act when our national security is threatened or when the world community asks us to help.


    Oh Im ruthless? Your the one who would leave the Kuwaitis and Saudis to Saddam. Your the one who would have America abandon her obligations around the world. I never advocated killing millions - only dissolving arab governments and armies in the mideast. It doesnt look like youve got much of a high horse to be preaching from.
    The way we are fighting the war today - no. The only thing keeping us from completely destroying the insurgency is our desire to help the iraqis out. If we werent so worried about rebuilding that country and making it into a democracy, our weaponry could render the nation harmless for decades to come.
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    The only way I see to win this war is to occupy the entire middle east and make the people there so fearful and yet so dependent on the US they wouldnt think about harming us. It will be possible soon with very few casualties with the latest military weaponry being developed.
    You seem to be in favor of taking away all their rights at self government, removing all anti-government (yours) thought and want to do this using force.

    Is this so different from what Saddam was doing ?
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    Errr . no flashbacks in that post Panzer , whats up ? if you can't attack the points in the post attack the poster ?
    Thats not a very even-handed opinion Tribesman considering he attacked me first. At least my response was factual, albeit a bit insulting..

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    At least my response was factual,
    Factual ? Well lets see shall we ?......nope no flashbacks in the post so that bit cannot be factual can it
    Thats not a very even-handed opinion Tribesman considering he attacked me first.
    Since when do you expect me to be even handed ? that wouldn't be a very good way to stir the progress of discussion would it
    Sorry Panzer , but I thought you believed in respecting the views of veterans who have seen combat service defending your adoptive country . Or does that courtesy only extend to back room soldiers hundreds of miles away from actual combat that keep on telling you how they could have won the war and how you can win the next one ?

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    LoL im not one to let an attack go without response.

    In any event I lost any respect for him after he questioned another veteran's record because he was conservative. Thats pretty low in my book.

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    Ahem. Back to the topic at hand.

    Funny shirts. I'd get one, but they're not really my flavour. www.tshirthell.com had some good ones, but they took down the "worse than hell" section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KafirChobee
    This posting certainly went sideways ... in a heart beat.

    I would be curious where PJ gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist history of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.

    (edited for spelling errors)
    What attack? I asked a question. If the only means by which you have to answer it is by ignoring the question, and lashing out at the presentor - then please, next time ignore it completely and remain silent.

    As someone once said, "It is wiser to remain silent and let them think you a fool, than open your mouth and confirm it". Or, words to that affect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KafirChobee
    I would be curious where PJ gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist history of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.
    So you're saying that was a sincere question? I thought you were trying to say he was naive and immature- guess I read it wrong....
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    I lost any respect for him after he questioned another veteran's record because he was conservative. Thats pretty low in my book.
    (cough) John Kerry (cough)

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    (cough) John Kerry (cough)
    What John Kerry did is a great example of what Kafir does constantly.

    He used his veteran status to embolden his political ideology, just as Kafir "reports for duty" in threads and claims some superior knowledge simply because he went through Vietnam. And when another veteran challenged his stance, all he could do was question that veteran's military record. Pathetic.

    I would be curious where JP gets his "historic" facts, or re-re-revisionist hostory of the Middle-East. But, he's young and there is hope that once he begins to actually experience things beyond his driveway he may alter his perspective on issues. Then again, I don't really care.
    Not a personal attack - right.

    And like his hero Mr. Kerry - he backpeddles when someone challenges him with his own words. "I voted for it, before I voted against it."

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    On a side note, now that John Kerry's records have been released, where the Swift boat veterans right or wrong ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager
    What John Kerry did is a great example of what Kafir does constantly.

    He used his veteran status to embolden his political ideology, just as Kafir "reports for duty" in threads and claims some superior knowledge simply because he went through Vietnam. And when another veteran challenged his stance, all he could do was question that veteran's military record. Pathetic.

    Not a personal attack - right.

    And like his hero Mr. Kerry - he backpeddles when someone challenges him with his own words. "I voted for it, before I voted against it."
    Say what? What does John Kerry have to do with G'itmo? And where did I bring up my veteran status in this discussion?? Or, when did I ever claim hero status? Or, question another vets military record (aside from Bush43's)?

    Still, if that is how you interpret me ... fine. I recall using personal experience, but I don't recall ever saying that because of those experiences they made my political perceptions an absolute for all to adhere to. I have said that one's experiences make them what they are. Go experience a few negative ones, or even better walk in the other mans shoes first before flying off your holyier than tho couch.

    Put yourself in a man at Gitmo, held without the hope of trial or even the need for judicial justification. A place where the FBI has stated that torture is a routine occurance and that the Koran has been degraded in front of prisoners to force confessions.

    Gee, what a great place.
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    Put yourself in a man at Gitmo, held without the hope of trial or even the need for judicial justification. A place where the FBI has stated that torture is a routine occurance and that the Koran has been degraded in front of prisoners to force confessions.
    Where do you get this crap from?


    First of all, any talk about mistreatment of the Gitmo prisoners is complete and utter BS. These are without a doubt the best-treated enemy combatants that have ever been fortunate to be captured by a compassionate country. Any talk of a gulag in Gitmo is 100% pure bullshit and lies as the backpedaling of those insufferable, lying weasels at Amnesty International proves.

    Secondly, while we're on the subject of enemy combatants, these folks are exactly that. All this talk of their rights under the Geneva Convention, due process and the poor saps not having been charged with anything yet is ridiculous drivel meant to divert the uninformed and the non-thinkers among us from the fact that these folks -- all 500 hundred of them -- are terrorists who were plotting against our country and would like nothing more than to see us all dead. We're treating them far better than they deserve even now.
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    June 20, 2005

    (CNSNews.com) -- Conservatives angered by the frequent calls of congressional Democrats and anti-war activists to close down the military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, are conducting an unusual counter-attack.

    Inspired by California Republican Congressman Duncan Hunter, bloggers from Dummocrats.com have created "The Gitmo Cookbook" to emphasize the high quality of life for prisoners at the Guantanamo Bay facility.

    Speaking on Fox News Sunday June 11, Hunter said the criticism of how the U.S. is handling terrorist suspects prompted him to send "for the menu from Guantanamo, so that the average American could understand how we're brutalizing people" at the prison.

    "For Sunday, they're going to be having -- let me see -- orange glazed chicken, fresh fruit grupe, steamed peas and mushrooms, rice pilaf -- another form of torture for the hijackers," Hunter said.

    "We treat them very well," he added in response to suggestions that the detention center should be shut down.

    The Dummocrats.com website picked up on Hunter's theme.

    "If you're tired of all the torture allegations, of hearing the media imply that handling a Quran without gloves on is the moral equivalent of beheading someone, and of all the hysteria about enemy combatants, you'll enjoy the Gitmo Cookbook," the website states.

    The book "contains the actual recipes and menus for the food served to the Gitmo detainees, along with interesting facts about how American soldiers are working every day to treat prisoners humanely while still getting the information we need to protect ourselves."

    Conservatives were infuriated by the recent remarks of U.S. Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), who went on the floor of the Senate to compare the alleged abuses at Guantanamo Bay to the atrocities committed by the Nazis during World War II, the Stalin regime's network of "gulags" in the former Soviet Union and the Cambodian regime of Pol Pot during the Vietnam era.

    During his appearance on Fox News Sunday, Hunter pointed to what he said were exaggerations on the part of Guantanamo Bay prison critics. Giving the prisoners MREs (Meals Ready to Eat), the same food that soldiers are eating, "is considered actually to be a form of abuse," Hunter said.

    Laura Curtis, contributing author for Dummocrats and the cookbook, told Cybercast News Service that "this is the exact food that our troops get. The only difference is that, for the detainees, it's halal. The Muslim-approved meat has to be prepared a certain way and the animals have to be slaughtered a certain way."

    She also noted that the proceeds of the Gitmo Cookbook will go to a charity of the Guantanamo troops' choice.

    Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh has been having fun with the idea of a "Club G'itmo," implying that prisoners are staying in conditions comparable to a Caribbean resort. Limbaugh calls Club G'itmo, "Your tropical retreat from the stress of jihad."

    But Democratic political operative Donna Brazile was not amused, telling CNN's Inside Politics on Wednesday "that to try to describe Gitmo Bay as some kind of spa, some kind of resort is foolish.

    "It is a place that was set up and designed to hold people for an indefinite period of time, to torture them, to try to get information out of them and to keep them behind bars until the United States figures out what to do with them," Brazile said.

    Curtis countered that "this is not a terrible thing that is going on. They are being treated humanely. And they are the enemy. I think we are treating them a lot better than they would treat us. The way the media is treating Gitmo is ridiculous."

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    HARRISBURG -- The Guantanamo Bay lockup that houses "enemies of the United States" probably offers better conditions than half of the prisons in Pennsylvania, U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said Friday.

    The Gitmo prisoners captured in Afghanistan -- some of whom are associated with al-Qaida -- have been treated well for the most part, said Santorum, R-Penn Hills.

    "We give them prayer mats, prayer shawls, prayer outfits and Qurans," Santorum said.

    The U.S. spends five times more on specialty food for the 540 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay than Florida spends for its inmates, the senator said.


    Santorum noted there have been "aberrations" of mistreatment at the "brand-new $100 million" facility.

    Detained there "are suicide bombers and organizers of suicide bombers," Santorum said. They are "people who want to blow up aircraft in the air, take down buildings and destroy the U.S."

    Santorum's comments come as Democrats in the U.S. Senate have called on President Bush to close the facility at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba and as Congress wrestles with what rights to afford the detainees. Santorum made the remarks on a visit to the state Capitol yesterday.

    Congress is working toward defining the inmates' rights "short of legal status," Santorum said, noting that detainees have no rights under the Geneva Conventions.

    "However, we have standards as the United States of America" and ethical considerations, he said.

    "They are clearly enemies of the United States. Of 200 released from this facility, six have been recaptured on the battlefield. One headed up an operation to kidnap Chinese journalists," Santorum said. "We have an obligation to protect the public, and Guantanamo Bay is serving that purpose."
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    Exciting news. A new product.




    All New! Club G'itmo Polo

    In institutional orange featuring the Club G'itmo logo, embroidered on the left chest. 100% cotton picque, short-sleeved with 3 button placket, ribbed collar and cuffs, and double needle top stitching. Available in sizes M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL and XXXXL.



    Available for delivery using shipping method selected on July 1st.
    Rush says this is the hotest line of stuff hes ever had. Better hurry and get them while you can. Sure to be a collectors item.
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    Cant keep up to demand and making obsecne profits on these poor tewrrorists

    This whole program takes Rick Warren's concept and builds on it. Let me get back to what she's written here. "Warren isn't a bad guy - he may be selling low-carb scripture but basically the message is service to humankind and there's nothing wrong with that." Then she quotes from our website: "Due to the extraordinary demand for G'itmo merchandise, shipment of overnight and 2nd day orders will be delayed for 2-4 days." We are still being overrun with requests for Club G'itmo gear. So she ends this piece by asking this question: "What are you doing with the money, Rush? What's your purpose in life?" Deanne, here's what we're doing with the money. We are paying for the merchandise that we're buying. We are paying for the shipping of the merchandise that other people buy. We have some other expenses, but after all the expenses are finished, what's left over is profit, and we're keeping it. It may be a strange concept to others, but we're keeping it. It's called profit. We took a risk here. We went into the business of manufacturing some Club G'itmo gear. We offered it for sale. We didn't know if it would work or not. It's working out. So we're reaping the rewards of taking the risk. Now, what am I doing with the money that I keep? Deanne, if you have to ask, if you have to dig deep to find out whether or not this is a charitable program, go talk to the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society of America, or go talk to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement scholarship people.
    OMG hes keeping his profit. What will he resort to next?

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    A new branch of club Gitmo has opened. Its club gitmo east located in Iraq




    This stuff is flying off the shelves.
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    Buissiness is booming. New products being added but its hard to keep up to demand.

    NEW! Club G'itmo Car Flag

    Drive across the fruited plain flying your Club G'itmo Car Flag: Durable knit polyester car flag, hooks on to car windows. Each measures 11 3/4" high x 14" wide on a 20 1/2" white vinyl mast, and features our best-selling Club G'itmo tag line: "Your Tropical Retreat from the Stress of Jihad."

    THIS NEW ITEM WILL BEGIN SHIPPING THE WEEK OF AUGUST 1ST
    $21.95

    NEW! Club G'itmo Soap-On-A-Rope

    What first class resort doesn't have soap on a rope? Club G'itmo Soap-On-A-Rope Set: 2 bars of Club G'itmo soap measuring 4" wide x 2" tall x approx 1" thick.

    THIS NEW ITEM WILL BEGIN SHIPPING THE WEEK OF AUGUST 1ST.
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    NEW! Jihad Java Cafe Travel Mug

    By popular demand! Jihad Java Cafe Travel Mug: Everybody's favorite mug in a 15 oz. travel version! Navy imprint on a bright acrylic orange exterior with stainless steel liner.

    THIS NEW ITEM WILL BEGIN SHIPPING THE WEEK OF AUGUST 1ST.
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    Hats and shirts are starting to get backlogged. If you want these new products please order in advance as demand will be large.
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    This is the entertainment that is wainting there:
    http://service.spiegel.de/cache/inte...365294,00.html

    http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2...0714report.pdf

    Enjoy your holidays!

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    Just for the historical record:

    Palestine was Muslim land from the initial spread of Islam there in the middle of the 7th century until the British and French carved up sections of the Ottoman empire in the early 20th century. The one brief interlude was during the Crusades, 1099-1187 (with some of the coastal cities hanging on until the fall of Acre in 1291). So, about 1,000 years or so.
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    So what.
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    A new branch of club Gitmo has opened. Its club gitmo east located in Iraq
    Nice picture , is it part of the winning hearts and minds initiative ?

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    I guess the Abu Ghraib clothes were all sold out.
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