Is RTW really that bad

[Norxis]

Look, I'm of the opinion that RTW is still the best of all three games. Graphics aside, many of the features of the game make it significantly better than MTW. I haven't been at the forum for that long, but there was still problems/faults with MTW too! Some annoying/strange things about MTW that in my humble opinion are better in RTW are:

1) arbitrary allocation of vices/virtues - ie, the coward one! Its not that cowardly in my opinion for your general who's army is getting annihilated and has fought to the extent that he's had chevrons increase to retreat, but the moment your general retreats in that game - bang! he's a coward! ANNOYING!
2) one little thing which I'm sure some other people did once or twice in MTW was the naval systems assisted conquest of the eastern world - in one turn!! It was quite easy to build up a massive military force and after destroying every muslim ship in the mediterranean conquer the entire north coast of africa, the middle east and turkey - IN ONE TURN!!!!!!!!!! not that easy in RTW thanks to the better naval system (and don't complain about, boo-hoo, it takes me several turns to get a fleet from england to antioch - deal with it) better than conquering the east in one foul swoop!
3) no diplomacy, whatsoever, and diplomacy didn't mean a damn thing - sure RTW isn't the best, but its still better than MTW, at least you can get squeeze money out of defeated enemies.
4) the whole annoying marriage issue in MTW, either get your heir a foreign princess (which wasn't possible once your powerful), or have the rest of your royal family ever after as drunks, fools and/or inbred!
5) the slow cumbersome battles.
6) not being able to deploy your own troops in attack.
7) sieges being so boring/useless that you autoresolve every single one of them.
8) on characters again, even though you get command stars a little too easy in RTW, at least you can develop someone from 0 stars to 10 stars, not that easy in MTW (unless you owned constantinople).
9) hardly any faction diversity in MTW, especially with the catholics!
10) little things we all exploited like the early period turkish ransoming of the egyptian sultan...... several times.......

As someone who only plays computer games relatively rarely, RTW does offer a challenge (if any computer game is ever reaaaaallllyyyyy challenging.....). As other people here have said, the publishers are making their games for people like me, not the hardcores who have played the TW series far to much and know exactly what nooks and crannies to exploit to make the game easier. In my opinon, if you want a challenge, go and climb mount everest or write a book or whatever, if you want a bit of simple fun, play a computer game, like the noble and fun RTW! so rome total war, is it that bad: I think not!

[Colovion]

Look, I'm of the opinion that RTW is still the best of all three games. Graphics aside, many of the features of the game make it significantly better than MTW. I haven't been at the forum for that long, but there was still problems/faults with MTW too! Some annoying/strange things about MTW that in my humble opinion are better in RTW are:

1) arbitrary allocation of vices/virtues - ie, the coward one! Its not that cowardly in my opinion for your general who's army is getting annihilated and has fought to the extent that he's had chevrons increase to retreat, but the moment your general retreats in that game - bang! he's a coward! ANNOYING!
2) one little thing which I'm sure some other people did once or twice in MTW was the naval systems assisted conquest of the eastern world - in one turn!! It was quite easy to build up a massive military force and after destroying every muslim ship in the mediterranean conquer the entire north coast of africa, the middle east and turkey - IN ONE TURN!!!!!!!!!! not that easy in RTW thanks to the better naval system (and don't complain about, boo-hoo, it takes me several turns to get a fleet from england to antioch - deal with it) better than conquering the east in one foul swoop!
3) no diplomacy, whatsoever, and diplomacy didn't mean a damn thing - sure RTW isn't the best, but its still better than MTW, at least you can get squeeze money out of defeated enemies.
4) the whole annoying marriage issue in MTW, either get your heir a foreign princess (which wasn't possible once your powerful), or have the rest of your royal family ever after as drunks, fools and/or inbred!
5) the slow cumbersome battles.
6) not being able to deploy your own troops in attack.
7) sieges being so boring/useless that you autoresolve every single one of them.
8) on characters again, even though you get command stars a little too easy in RTW, at least you can develop someone from 0 stars to 10 stars, not that easy in MTW (unless you owned constantinople).
9) hardly any faction diversity in MTW, especially with the catholics!
10) little things we all exploited like the early period turkish ransoming of the egyptian sultan...... several times.......

As someone who only plays computer games relatively rarely, RTW does offer a challenge (if any computer game is ever reaaaaallllyyyyy challenging.....). As other people here have said, the publishers are making their games for people like me, not the hardcores who have played the TW series far to much and know exactly what nooks and crannies to exploit to make the game easier. In my opinon, if you want a challenge, go and climb mount everest or write a book or whatever, if you want a bit of simple fun, play a computer game, like the noble and fun RTW! so rome total war, is it that bad: I think not!

It's interesting to see a post that solely justifies the current game's backsteps and shortcomings by pointing towards supposed past problems.

"...remove the plank from thine own eye...."

[Norxis]

As opposed to other people who nit-pick about every fault (no matter how minor) of the game after spending seemingly endless hours of research into the different aspects of the game! Only to then spend further hours expressing their extreme distaste to this game on a rome:total war forum. my advice to all the people that think RTW is REALLY that bad - play tennis, now thats fun and it gets you out into the fresh air!

[Enjoi_BlackHawk]

I rember fondly playing M:TW as the italians and do a "neo-roman empire" (that and i can get rid of the papacy quick) but the risk board just isnt as fun as the board is know in R:TW i rember in syria my huge twothousand (or was it twenty thousand?) army attacking the Muslim army (forgot the faction names) and had them flanked well when battle commenced we all fought head on, resulting in this huge running battle (all generals killed do to stupidity) and units that wouldnt stop pursuing, only to get whacked at the other end.....at least in R:TW you can flank armies on the board...

[Colovion]

As opposed to other people who nit-pick about every fault (no matter how minor) of the game after spending seemingly endless hours of research into the different aspects of the game! Only to then spend further hours expressing their extreme distaste to this game on a rome:total war forum. my advice to all the people that think RTW is REALLY that bad - play tennis, now thats fun and it gets you out into the fresh air!

Haha. You're describing yourself in context with MTW. It's been said; the fact remains that when MTW was hacked by critics - how many people ceased playing the title? Not many. RTW? Take a look at the history of the community and you'll be in for a severe reality check. And no, I don't play RTW, thankyouverymuch - haven't for months.