Can someone explain German Law to me?

[Kaiser of Arabia]

http://ingeb.org/garb/SA2002.html

I was reading that, and to me it seems like Germany in modern times is practicing a similar censorship as it did 65 years ago. Is it just me or is this political discrimination and the silencing of all opposition to Gerhard Schroeder and his Social Democrats? Wouldn't it be disallowing the youth to form their own opinion if you block them by seeing all sides of the story? Is it just me or do they seem to be silencing right wing extremism only, as in it's wrong to be a fascist, but it's ok to be a communist or left-wing radical anarchist? I'm so very confused! Is any of this true? Can some of our German comrades explain this to me?

[DemonArchangel]

Good god, i'm leaving for Germany for my summer job on Monday. The last thing I need is racist idiots giving me shit over there.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I'm leaving Saturday. Looks like I won't be coming back for a very long time.
It looks to me like Germany is going down the path that it took 70 years ago. And unless someone steps in and ends such censorship, history will repeat itself. Or at least, that is what I fear.

[JAG]

huh?

[Kaiser of Arabia]

wow what a great post by JAG!

[JimBob]

as in it's wrong to be a fascist, but it's ok to be a communist or left-wing radical anarchist?

Okay I have two requests: 1) Please stop throwing left-wing ideologies around like they're all the same. Because fact is we (anarchists) don't really like communists (even the syndicalists don't) why? They believe in big government, and we believe in no government. They are authoritarians, we are individualists.
2) Explain to me how a Social Democrat government (or any government) would say its okay to support anarchists? I mean we are their greatest enemy, we want to end them.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Oh btw i dont want this to turn into a debate on German law and if its good or not, I just needed some help grasping it. It seemed kind of freaky to me. So yeah, the point of the thread has been accomplished.
BTW I wont get in trouble for reading von Clauschwitz (sp) or Guderian or Neitchze over there will I?

[BDC]

Oh btw i dont want this to turn into a debate on German law and if its good or not, I just needed some help grasping it. It seemed kind of freaky to me. So yeah, the point of the thread has been accomplished.
BTW I wont get in trouble for reading von Clauschwitz (sp) or Guderian or Neitchze over there will I?

Why do you need help grasping it? It's exactly the type of law you claim you want. It protects the people, even if it annoys some of them (like you).

It's ironic you claim to want the state to protect the people above their rights, then moan when you realise you might not be able to exercise your rights.

[PanzerJaeger]

Why do you need help grasping it? It's exactly the type of law you claim you want. It protects the people, even if it annoys some of them (like you).

It's ironic you claim to want the state to protect the people above their rights, then moan when you realise you might not be able to exercise your rights.

He most likely doesnt see the law as helping the people.

[Husar]

Why do you need help grasping it? It's exactly the type of law you claim you want. It protects the people, even if it annoys some of them (like you).

This sounds so negative, tell me about any law that doesn´t annoy some of the people.

[The_Doctor]

About the Iron Cross, look at the symbol of my local council (Sefton)



Maybe you could have that instead.

[Husar]

BTW I wont get in trouble for reading von Clauschwitz (sp) or Guderian or Neitchze over there will I?

Well, I don´t know Clausewitz, but I know that some clanmates with more historical knowledge got a bit upset when somebody else had "Clausewitz" as a nickname.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Well, I don´t know Clausewitz, but I know that some clanmates with more historical knowledge got a bit upset when somebody else had "Clausewitz" as a nickname.

Napoleonic Prussian Commander, wrote Of War

[Don Corleone]

Kaiser,

I've got a CRAZY idea Why don't you go over, enjoy yourself, but leave pre-conceived notions at home and just absorb? If upon the duration of your stay, you realize that yes, in fact, you were right all along and could have taught the Germans a thing or two about their political history, and need for a benevolent fascist, save it for the very last night. And I STRONGLY urge you use a system where the benevolence is more clear than it was then under Bismarck or Hitler. Singapore is probably your best bet, but even there, you're exposing yourself to some pretty heavy counter-arguments.

Anyway, have a blast. Demon & you over there... .look out my Teutonic friends, we're about to fight our 3rd war in 100 years! Just kidding.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I'm stocking up on the explosive chickens for the final epic battle between me and demon as we speak

[Franconicus]

Napoleonic Prussian Commander, wrote Of War

Clausewitz is no problem I read parts of it.
This is forbitten:
Denying that the Holocaust happened
Sedition
Incitement to crime or violence
Symbols that were used by Fascism
Offending People

So, dear Kaiser, go to Germany without any concerns. Look what happened here and maybe you change your mind about fashism.

By the way, did you ever read "The SS State" by Eugen Kogon? You should!

[Productivity]

Is it just me or do they seem to be silencing right wing extremism only, as in it's wrong to be a fascist, but it's ok to be a communist or left-wing radical anarchist?

At a guess I would put it down to the fact that fascism caused one of the most tragic and shameful events in Germany's history, whereas communism did not. Nothing wrong with them wanting to avoid it happening again.

[Franconicus]

At a guess I would put it down to the fact that fascism caused one of the most tragic and shameful events in Germany's history, whereas communism did not. Nothing wrong with them wanting to avoid it happening again.

Well, in fact in German history you find a more than enough communism. Do you want to discuss the difference between comm and fasc?

In Germany communistic parties are forbitten as well if they are against the constitution.

[Productivity]

Well, in fact in German history you find a more than enough communism. Do you want to discuss the difference between comm and fasc?

I may find more than enough, but will it have caused anywhere near the amount of tragedy as fascism has? I know very well teh difference between them, but I will admit german history is not my strong point, and if you can point out a time when a german communist did as much damage as Hitler, then I will stand corrected.

[Franconicus]

I may find more than enough, but will it have caused anywhere near the amount of tragedy as fascism has? I know very well teh difference between them, but I will admit german history is not my strong point, and if you can point out a time when a german communist did as much damage as Hitler, then I will stand corrected.

Alright, here a short trip through German history.
You know that Marx and Engels were Germans, like many other Socialists. At the end of WW1 there were many rebellions because people were tired of war and hungry. In Munich they chased the king away and had a Communist Republic. And they killed some people there. Did not last long. So called Whites came and took the town. The first days they killed every Red they could get.
Between the wars communism was quiet strong. They collected up to 30% of the votes. Together with hte votes for the Nazis this blocked the German parliament. And there was a lot of fighting in the streets. When the Nazis took the power communists either were arrested, put into KZ and killed or went into resistance or left the country. Nazis made a lot of propaganda against communism.
After WW2 the Soviets established a communist country in their zone. It lasted 40 years and was a dictatorship.
Today neither communism nor Nazis have a real chance in Germany.

And National Socialism is not fascism.

Kaiser, forget your sophistry. Bad is bad! If you do not believe you can see it when you visit Germany. When you return, please tell us what you found here

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Alright, here a short trip through German history.
You know that Marx and Engels were Germans, like many other Socialists. At the end of WW1 there were many rebellions because people were tired of war and hungry. In Munich they chased the king away and had a Communist Republic. And they killed some people there. Did not last long. So called Whites came and took the town. The first days they killed every Red they could get.
Between the wars communism was quiet strong. They collected up to 30% of the votes. Together with hte votes for the Nazis this blocked the German parliament. And there was a lot of fighting in the streets. When the Nazis took the power communists either were arrested, put into KZ and killed or went into resistance or left the country. Nazis made a lot of propaganda against communism.
After WW2 the Soviets established a communist country in their zone. It lasted 40 years and was a dictatorship.
Today neither communism nor Nazis have a real chance in Germany.


Kaiser, forget your sophistry. Bad is bad! If you do not believe you can see it when you visit Germany. When you return, please tell us what you found here

Will do.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

At a guess I would put it down to the fact that fascism caused one of the most tragic and shameful events in Germany's history, whereas communism did not. Nothing wrong with them wanting to avoid it happening again.

Then again Communism caused many of the saddest events in the Worlds history, to date claiming over 100 million lives. And National Socialism is not fascism.