Countdown to Open Beta - Eleutheroi

[Mongoose]

???

So, I express my opinion, get insulted and attacked for it without reason, say you make this stuff disgusting for your agressive posts and in top of all that I´m the "troll" everyone wants to blame???

Man, something´s wrong here, really.

The issue is that you did not support your posts. Saying "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG" Is not very supportive.

[Eucarionte]

The issue is that you did not support your posts. Saying "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG" Is not very supportive.

You freely talk about supporting my post. Ok. Some things I said: "Celts fought naked" Is it false? I think everybody here knows they did, and of course not everyone everywhere in every moment. I never said they´re stupid, but they were a more primitive culture, speaking objetively, than that of the Greeks. I´m not saying they were stupid, and their culture is interesting. Of course I´ve read about them. "They collected the heads of their enemies". False? Really need sources?. I also said the had Neolithic customes, refering of their drudic, shamanic religion. A somewhat "acid" commentary, but I meant no offense with that. It is quite obvious that Ranika overreacted in extreme, and an apologize for that would be convenient, so this unfortunate issue is forgiven and forgotten for good.

About the Greeks, is it false that they constructed the Colossus? Philosophy? Physics? (meaning Science, not developing a composited bow, obviously) Is it a lie, or must be proved, that they built the Parthenon? Every claim in my post are facts, things anyone interested a little about Ancient history just know. I never thought it would be necessary to "prove" such arguments in a forum like this. It is true, however, that my comment would have sound "cold" and "direct", and even "an insult to barbarians" but such is the consecuence of discussing about something without seeing each other´s faces, and we should always keep that in mind (me the first).

That said, let´s forget this unfortunate event. If it´s in my hand, I´d like to contribute with my little knowledge of Ancient History to this forums, with the only requisite for that being respectful and lots, lots of patience. For the sake of the good development of both the mod and the forum.

BTW, sorry for the off-topic. Hope it´s the last one in this thread

[jerby]

I never said they´re stupid, but they were a more primitive culture

of cours,e hugs 'n kisses, nobody wants an enemy. but am i the only one who thinks thats is funny?

[Fenrhyl]

Eucariote, the problem with stating that celts had neolithic customs is not that it is insulting, the problem is that it is false. Plainly. This is not the place to discuss about theology, but while the mediterraneans cultures were still worshiping idols, Celts had already forsaken representation of their gods, deeming them as "backwards" and scorning greeks and romans alike about this. As far as "primitive" goes, i can't see how religious practice among celts is primitive when compared to their neighbours'. Druids are in no way "neolithic", they were magtistrates, officials, priests, teachers and philosophers. Druids were so knowledgeable about philosphy and science that some greek and roman authors described them as an outshoot of the pythagorician school.


Stating that greeks are the forefathers of science is partly true, though their science was a mix between religion and mental exploration with an amount of experimenting and those process of thinking were mostly coming from the great bronze age cultures. There were great minds in the mediterranean world, able to calculate with some accuracy the circumference of our planet. The problem is that celts had a far better knwoledge of chemistry, metalworking and crafting in general. They invented soap, they invented tin baths to harden steel, they developped very good sea vessels (far superioor to the ones their mediterraneans counterparts used), invented barrels (far superior to the pottery used by southern cultures, we still use those nowadays), the modern plough and the vast majority of tools still used for crafting and farming in western europe (and this includes machines to harvest the fields.) You just can't achieve all this without power of deduction, observation and testing/experimenting... wich is a scientific way of doing things. That's not to say they were superior to greks. They were just another culture which we know very little about. Their abit of transmitting knowledge through speech rather than writing just left the world without any written trace of their culture, leaving the greeks alone to boast their superiority over any other culture in the world.
Knowing this, claiming greeks had better scientific knowledge is a statement that lies on partial evidence. And we all know what this is worth. Besides, a culture superiority on another is a concept that i don't like much.

[Han]

indeed, they metalworks are far superior and beautiful and amazing.... they are not primitive in metalworks, your statement is too general sadly....thats why you are wrong...

[The Wizard]

Indeed, one look at the 'hour glass' torcs from Orense in Spain, or the torcs from Ipswich just prove how fine-tuned La Tène Celtic art and metalworking was. It's the only abstract art I like, and that's saying something



~Wiz

[Spacemonk]

[q]About the Greeks, is it false that they constructed the Colossus?[/q]

though I don't know much about history.... what about the Stonehenge? :)
I think the main reason ppl think greek and roman were more developed is because they wrote a lot of stuff while many 'barbarian' cultures didn't write that much and much got lost when they were conquered I think.
But really I can't say for sure cause I didn't study it, though I would almost feel like studying it when I read all those great post with all that intresting information about our ancestors

[jerby]

fenrhyl,
welcome to EB, and that is one heck of a welcome-post!