Re: Countdown to Open Beta - Eleutheroi
While Greeks were fighting in the steadily outclassed method of the phalanx (in fact, the Celts beat it, using shortswordsmen with small shields, which would later be a revived tactic to defeat renaissance era pikemen), Celts were busy annihilating and subjugating enemies, and developing tactics, weapons, and fighting styles that overcame almost everyone they engaged (including the Romans, at one time); these weapons, armors, and tactics were then adopted by everyone they encountered, and for a reason; they were logistically superior on the field.Originally Posted by Eucarionte
While Celts were painting their bodies with gliphs, running naked through the woods and fighting likewise, celebrating Neolithic customs and rituals in deep, dark and isolated forests and collecting the heads of their enemies in their pants, Greeks were building the Parthenon and the Colossus of Rhodes, developing Physics, Medicine, Monumental arquitecture, Poetry, recording History, Philosophy, Democracy, Literature, Law, Mathematics, navigating the seas for trade and cultural purposes, engineering and creating the base of what we understand actually as "human development".
Enough said.
That was so painfully uneducated I actually laughed. This has to be trolling. Philosophy; Celtic druids were rather fond of going to Greece to discuss philosophy with them. And Celtic religion was hardly 'Neolithic', and was practiced in wood and stone temples, not 'deep, dark, and isolated forests'. Celts were apparently quite adept with physics, as they had some of the first actual long range longbows on the planet (short range longbows existed before the Celtic era), and developed a legal and philosophical system that resembles heavily a representative-democracy (elected officials with higher elected officials over them, with groups of electors acting as the final word in deciding the overall leader, like the modern US electoral college system). Modern democracy is as much based on the basest points of Celtic law as it is Greek (any good historian and politicist could tell you that), as it exemplifies personal freedom and responsibility. Medicine; Celts could perform brain surgery as numerous iron age Celtic graves attest (scar tissue through bones attest to that), and their use of painkillers (made from different substances depending on the location) as a battle and medicinal aide speaks to an understanding of chemistry (as any good British Isles historian should know, since one of the first post-Christian medical college was founded on Iona, but then destroyed by the vikings with only a few books saved, mostly on anatomy, and all talking about remedies that were most definitely not Greek in origin, since they involved plants and substances not from anywhere the Greeks would've been). And the trade thing, that was just stupid. Every good historian knows Celts traded with the entire mediterranean, and Celtic mercenaries from as far as Britain found work as far east as modern Israel, so they had to know it was there. And the hDruiaeLateuam from the 6th century is an Irish account of the Celtic sack of Rome, and is a transcription of Celtic oral tradition, and it's remarkably accurate to our understanding of the sack (a foreign Celtic culture kept the knowledge of a brief war 9 centuries prior accurately). That's a hell of a history to keep. Not to mention the great constructions of Eahmain Macha (a massive dome fortress composed of wood, stone, with dirt reinforced walls that could absorb the shock of a cannonball), the purely Celtic oppida walls, which were extremely sturdy and innovative, and made directly assaulting the walls of a Celtic city essentially useless (hence the massive walls built around Alesia to starve the city), the necropolis-type construction at Maimmonwo, the absolutely enormous hill temples with catacomb-esque tombs in eastern Europe. And that, by about 200 BC, pretty much everyone was imitating Celts to at least a small extent, by adopting armor, or fighting styles (like the Greeks did), or by using Celtic soldiers in their armies (like Pontos and Pergamon and the Ptolemaic Empire), and having them fight using Celtic tactics and weapons and armor, because of their superior make and ability against locals. How about Celtic law? Let's expand on that. No all powerful leader or despot; everyone was subject to the law, and even kings could be banished for breaking it (the law was divine, a king was just an expendable official); that's a comparatively modern system (though law is no longer 'divine' in most places). Ardent capitalists (business acumen was paramount in selecting good nobility; Celts notably ran huge trade operations of precious metals, arms and armor, slaves, SHIPBUILDERS {you've apparently never heard of the Veneti, who built ships comparable to Renaissance era galleons}, dyes, and other goods), though if you're a commie I guess you could see that as backward. Not a slight to the Greek fans, but, wow, that was a stupid comment. Has to be trolling.
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