Countdown to Open Beta - Eleutheroi

[QwertyMIDX]

I didn't see the comments that were erased, but I too would perfer if the mods would let us run our sub-forum and only throw their weight around when we call in the big guns, or someone asks for a mod to intervein because they feel we are abusing our control of our forum.

[Stormy]

I think someone said something hostile towards a group of ppl, a specific rebel group we have in our mod.

[Mongoose]

It was about jews...

[QwertyMIDX]

Yeah, that's what it seems like, I have no doubt it was uncalled for and probably ill-considered, but I'd still like it if we could mod our own forums. It would be great if they'd give another EB memeber or two mod powers.

[QwertyMIDX]

Damn libertarians, states rights? What about individual rights? People before abstractions!

Opps, my anarchism is slipping out, better stop while I'm ahead. Have a ballon .

[Zero1]

Damn libertarians, states rights? What about individual rights? People before abstractions!

Opps, my anarchism is slipping out, better stop while I'm ahead. Have a ballon .

To heck with the individual, the needs of the community come first!, WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

...Doggonnit now ya'll got the communist in me slipping out

[Colovion]

this thread is sooo Eleutheroi

[Dux Corvanus]

(Edited: Another bunch of xenophobe, racist, radical, violent, warlike, agressive, non-politically-correct and sexually disturbing opinions given by Dux Corvanus in an access of uncontrollable fury, and that you, poor bast... I mean, poor people, will never see to satisfy your sick curiosity. Peace!)

[jerby]

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B.

Don't you just love democracy?

[Eucarionte]

The issue is that you did not support your posts. Saying "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG" Is not very supportive.

You freely talk about supporting my post. Ok. Some things I said: "Celts fought naked" Is it false? I think everybody here knows they did, and of course not everyone everywhere in every moment. I never said they´re stupid, but they were a more primitive culture, speaking objetively, than that of the Greeks. I´m not saying they were stupid, and their culture is interesting. Of course I´ve read about them. "They collected the heads of their enemies". False? Really need sources?. I also said the had Neolithic customes, refering of their drudic, shamanic religion. A somewhat "acid" commentary, but I meant no offense with that. It is quite obvious that Ranika overreacted in extreme, and an apologize for that would be convenient, so this unfortunate issue is forgiven and forgotten for good.

About the Greeks, is it false that they constructed the Colossus? Philosophy? Physics? (meaning Science, not developing a composited bow, obviously) Is it a lie, or must be proved, that they built the Parthenon? Every claim in my post are facts, things anyone interested a little about Ancient history just know. I never thought it would be necessary to "prove" such arguments in a forum like this. It is true, however, that my comment would have sound "cold" and "direct", and even "an insult to barbarians" but such is the consecuence of discussing about something without seeing each other´s faces, and we should always keep that in mind (me the first).

That said, let´s forget this unfortunate event. If it´s in my hand, I´d like to contribute with my little knowledge of Ancient History to this forums, with the only requisite for that being respectful and lots, lots of patience. For the sake of the good development of both the mod and the forum.

BTW, sorry for the off-topic. Hope it´s the last one in this thread

[jerby]

I never said they´re stupid, but they were a more primitive culture

of cours,e hugs 'n kisses, nobody wants an enemy. but am i the only one who thinks thats is funny?

[Fenrhyl]

Eucariote, the problem with stating that celts had neolithic customs is not that it is insulting, the problem is that it is false. Plainly. This is not the place to discuss about theology, but while the mediterraneans cultures were still worshiping idols, Celts had already forsaken representation of their gods, deeming them as "backwards" and scorning greeks and romans alike about this. As far as "primitive" goes, i can't see how religious practice among celts is primitive when compared to their neighbours'. Druids are in no way "neolithic", they were magtistrates, officials, priests, teachers and philosophers. Druids were so knowledgeable about philosphy and science that some greek and roman authors described them as an outshoot of the pythagorician school.


Stating that greeks are the forefathers of science is partly true, though their science was a mix between religion and mental exploration with an amount of experimenting and those process of thinking were mostly coming from the great bronze age cultures. There were great minds in the mediterranean world, able to calculate with some accuracy the circumference of our planet. The problem is that celts had a far better knwoledge of chemistry, metalworking and crafting in general. They invented soap, they invented tin baths to harden steel, they developped very good sea vessels (far superioor to the ones their mediterraneans counterparts used), invented barrels (far superior to the pottery used by southern cultures, we still use those nowadays), the modern plough and the vast majority of tools still used for crafting and farming in western europe (and this includes machines to harvest the fields.) You just can't achieve all this without power of deduction, observation and testing/experimenting... wich is a scientific way of doing things. That's not to say they were superior to greks. They were just another culture which we know very little about. Their abit of transmitting knowledge through speech rather than writing just left the world without any written trace of their culture, leaving the greeks alone to boast their superiority over any other culture in the world.
Knowing this, claiming greeks had better scientific knowledge is a statement that lies on partial evidence. And we all know what this is worth. Besides, a culture superiority on another is a concept that i don't like much.

[Han]

indeed, they metalworks are far superior and beautiful and amazing.... they are not primitive in metalworks, your statement is too general sadly....thats why you are wrong...

[The Wizard]

Indeed, one look at the 'hour glass' torcs from Orense in Spain, or the torcs from Ipswich just prove how fine-tuned La Tène Celtic art and metalworking was. It's the only abstract art I like, and that's saying something



~Wiz

[Spacemonk]

[q]About the Greeks, is it false that they constructed the Colossus?[/q]

though I don't know much about history.... what about the Stonehenge? :)
I think the main reason ppl think greek and roman were more developed is because they wrote a lot of stuff while many 'barbarian' cultures didn't write that much and much got lost when they were conquered I think.
But really I can't say for sure cause I didn't study it, though I would almost feel like studying it when I read all those great post with all that intresting information about our ancestors

[jerby]

fenrhyl,
welcome to EB, and that is one heck of a welcome-post!

[QwertyMIDX]

The Celts didn't build stonehenge.

[Ranika]

Correct, pre-Celtic peoples built Stonehenge, set up Carnac, and the Calanish stones. Actual Neolithic cultures, in fact, which were subverted by Celts, who had superior grasp of weapons, armor, and war.

[Fenrhyl]

fenrhyl,
welcome to EB, and that is one heck of a welcome-post!

Know that it is much appreciated. Merci.

[Geoffrey S]

I've been following this mod with a lot of interest over the last couple of months and I've been extremely impressed by the obvious amount of time and effort poured into this undertaking by the team. In general it's been very informative for me to read the information posted by members and interesting to follow the discussions about the various factions and cultures present in the mod.

This whole discussion about the various merits and detriments with regards to 'barbarian' and hellenic cultures is starting to become far more muddled and less friendly the more people debate about the subject. Why is it that some people seem to have such a clear cut image of what makes a culture superior? Many critics of emphasising the development of the various celtic factions appear to be concerned more about how developed these nations will be portrayed in comparison to more hellenic cultures than about the celtic nations being shown as more civilised than they were in vanilla RTW. With regards to this I must wonder where in any information published by the EB team it can be shown that the team will be making the cultures traditionally considered superior less than they truly were. As far as I can tell each faction, each type of culture is being presented as they were in the time this mod was set; if this is to the detriment of the somewhat romanticised hellenic cultures from vanilla RTW then the mod team is hardly to blame for correcting CA's implementation of common misconceptions with regards to many of the factions in the game. It's just a shame to see some people get so worked up about seeing their favourite factions portrayed in a different way to what they've grown used to, and then proceeding to hold rather one sided discussions.

Anyway, with that out of the way I'd like to congratulate the mod team on their excellent work, and I'm looking forward to the next preview!

[The Wizard]

Welcome to the Org and EB, my friend from the original Brooklyn



~Wiz

[Duncan_Hardy]

*Back on topic*

Very impressive preview of an unexpected faction. Just one question: will most of these rebel units (including the tasty steppe cavalrymen shown ) be hireable as mercs? If so, EB just got even better (if that's possible ).

[Ranika]

Mercs or regional units.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

*Back on topic*

Very impressive preview of an unexpected faction. Just one question: will most of these rebel units (including the tasty steppe cavalrymen shown ) be hireable as mercs? If so, EB just got even better (if that's possible ).

Ranika is certainly right, but I'll add that they will only be hireable by certain factions and in certain places and under certain "other" restrictions. We're trying to be as accurate as we can, and the limitations are one thing that is causing a little more time to be invested in these things. I'm not revealing anything new here though - khelvan has mentioned this in more detail on some other thread - maybe on another board somewhere, but publicly.

I wouldn't stray too far though.

[jerby]

I've been following this mod with a lot of interest over the last couple of months and I've been extremely impressed by the obvious amount of time and effort poured into this undertaking by the team. In general it's been very informative for me to read the information posted by members and interesting to follow the discussions about the various factions and cultures present in the mod.

This whole discussion about the various merits and detriments with regards to 'barbarian' and hellenic cultures is starting to become far more muddled and less friendly the more people debate about the subject. Why is it that some people seem to have such a clear cut image of what makes a culture superior? Many critics of emphasising the development of the various celtic factions appear to be concerned more about how developed these nations will be portrayed in comparison to more hellenic cultures than about the celtic nations being shown as more civilised than they were in vanilla RTW. With regards to this I must wonder where in any information published by the EB team it can be shown that the team will be making the cultures traditionally considered superior less than they truly were. As far as I can tell each faction, each type of culture is being presented as they were in the time this mod was set; if this is to the detriment of the somewhat romanticised hellenic cultures from vanilla RTW then the mod team is hardly to blame for correcting CA's implementation of common misconceptions with regards to many of the factions in the game. It's just a shame to see some people get so worked up about seeing their favourite factions portrayed in a different way to what they've grown used to, and then proceeding to hold rather one sided discussions.

Anyway, with that out of the way I'd like to congratulate the mod team on their excellent work, and I'm looking forward to the next preview!

my god, another huge welcome post. i'm getting depressed. my first post was more like:

wow, EB looks nice

[Teleklos Archelaou]

GASP!! Unstickied??? Why!!!?!?!?!

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Time to put this tired old dog to sleep.

[Geoffrey S]

Welcome to the Org and EB, my friend from the original Brooklyn

Cheers, still can't imagine why anyone would name a place after this dull location though