Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
No, I argued, as I already pointed out, faith (belief) is relevant for understanding devotion. The religious system is distinct.
Maybe devotion, but it's not relevant to understand religion as a system.

According to you and the metaphysical, how can you say that a religious system is distinct ??

Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
Religion cannot be secular and what is secular is not religion. Neither of these points involve any kind of fundamentalism.
The reality of today is far more secular than when the largest religions was developed. Inability to evolve is a clear sign of fundamentalism.

Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
The failures of Islam to instill any devotion amongst Indonesians is irrelevant to the more basic issue of devotion. If one is Muslim according to a legal category that is a contrivance of the nation, not a standard at large. Whatever changes are going on in Indonesia does not effect this basic point.
Empirical data shows that you are wrong. The majority of muslims today are not muslims due to devotion, but due to birth and affiliation.