What is a Jew

[bmolsson]

Nazism saw Jews as a race religious affiliation didn't matter. This was tied up with the eugenics movements that were in vogue.

Well, they did hate communists as well so I don't think they really based their views on any logic......

[Pindar]

Well, they did hate communists as well so I don't think they really based their views on any logic......

Actually, Nazi hatred of communists was based on other criteria. Not along racial lines.

I believe it was/is the reversed. You deny the fact that jews are born in to their religion. Your fundamentalistic view on faith is not really in connection with the natural world......

I don't kow what you mean by fundamentalistic.

But, yes I assign religious affiliation according to belief.

[Papewaio]

People do convert to Judaism, just not in large numbers.

[bmolsson]

I don't kow what you mean by fundamentalistic.

But, yes I assign religious affiliation according to belief.

You answered it yourself.

Your claim that belonging to a religion is determined by the faith is wrong and fundamentalistic. Religion is determined on your origin, family, education and social surroundings rather than your faith.

[Pindar]

You answered it yourself.

Your claim that belonging to a religion is determined by the faith is wrong and fundamentalistic.

You seem to equate faith with belief, regardless, why is this "fundamentalistic"?

What does this "fundamentalistic" mean?

Religion is determined on your origin, family, education and social surroundings rather than your faith.

By this definition you cannot explain conversion. Further, I don't think many people who consider themselves religious would agree their belief isn't the central factor to their devotional life.

[bmolsson]

You seem to equate faith with belief, regardless, why is this "fundamentalistic"?

What does this "fundamentalistic" mean?

From Wikipedia;
"Fundamentalist" describes a movement to return to what is considered the defining or founding principles of the religion. It has especially come to refer to any religious enclave that intentionally resists identification with the larger religious group in which it originally arose, on the basis that fundamental principles upon which the larger religious group is supposedly founded have become corrupt or displaced by alternative principles hostile to its identity.

You refuse to see anything else than the faith as the base in a religion. Your view is therefore fundamentalistic IMHO.

By this definition you cannot explain conversion. Further, I don't think many people who consider themselves religious would agree their belief isn't the central factor to their devotional life.

Yes, I can. Conversion is made when you need or wish to enter the movement you convert in to. Same thing as getting a citizenship in another country. The people that fail to see the religion they participate in as anything else than a faith are at high risk to become extremists and terrorists. We have seen example of this more than once.

[Pindar]

From Wikipedia;
"Fundamentalist" describes a movement to return to what is considered the defining or founding principles of the religion. It has especially come to refer to any religious enclave that intentionally resists identification with the larger religious group in which it originally arose, on the basis that fundamental principles upon which the larger religious group is supposedly founded have become corrupt or displaced by alternative principles hostile to its identity.

You refuse to see anything else than the faith as the base in a religion. Your view is therefore fundamentalistic IMHO.

Note the definition of Fundamentalism: a movement.

Fundamentalism is a sectarian position. It does not refer to religion in general or a religion in general.

I don't see belief as the base of a religion. I do see belief as central to the devotee's joining or aligning themselves with a religion.

Yes, I can. Conversion is made when you need or wish to enter the movement you convert in to. Same thing as getting a citizenship in another country. The people that fail to see the religion they participate in as anything else than a faith are at high risk to become extremists and terrorists. We have seen example of this more than once.

"Need to" and "wish" are subject specific and connote desire. In a religious milieu these feelings suggest a will to join which it is not unreasonable to associate with belief. You made my point.

[bmolsson]

Note the definition of Fundamentalism: a movement.

You are a movement, Pindar....

I don't see belief as the base of a religion. I do see belief as central to the devotee's joining or aligning themselves with a religion.

You are locked in your own perception of religion and are inable to see reality. Your own faith is set as the reference for your stand in this question. You are a fundamentalist. A very nice fundamentalist though, I might add....

"Need to" and "wish" are subject specific and connote desire. In a religious milieu these feelings suggest a will to join which it is not unreasonable to associate with belief. You made my point.

I converted to Islam to be able to marry my wife. If you see that as a faith, you have made a point. Actually I know close to a hundred converts between different religions, none of them have the faith you are looking for. Reality is not as you believe it is.....