Quote Originally Posted by bmolsson
You are a movement, Pindar....
Sometimes

Posted by Pindar
I don't see belief as the base of a religion. I do see belief as central to the devotee's joining or aligning themselves with a religion.


You are locked in your own perception of religion and are inable to see reality. Your own faith is set as the reference for your stand in this question. You are a fundamentalist. A very nice fundamentalist though, I might add....
So if I ask someone if they're religious and they say: "yes, I am a member of X" and I follow up with a question about why they joined that faith, to which they reply: "Because I believe it" Your position would be I created this and I am unable to see reality?

You used fundamentalist incorrectly.

I'm not nice.

I converted to Islam to be able to marry my wife. If you see that as a faith, you have made a point. Actually I know close to a hundred converts between different religions, none of them have the faith you are looking for. Reality is not as you believe it is.....
So there are over a hundred people that joined some religion because of a personal agenda and you consider this a reflection on the religion rather than on the people. You also consider these people religious. Amazing.

Through the course of our discussions I have found you as foreign as the word can suggest. I can't recall any, even Marxists with whom I have less in common.