What is a Jew

[Pindar]

The state forces us to a mental state. Taxes to help others, drafts to defend our selves and in jury duty to judge others.

The imposition of civil duty doesn't compel a particular mental state. It does compel certain actions however.

This logic seems a lot like mine....

If you want to argue that there are old texts that speak of Deity then we have no issue. This is certainly the case. If you want argue that those texts constitute a proof of God's existence then I would disagree. This is the central issue with trying to argue that a "social science" appeal can somehow bring a definitive result to the question of Deity.

Nobody does research on divinity because they are afraid of the results.

Actually lots of people do research on Deity, just not the kind you hope for the reason being: it is not logically possible.

I understand. It takes many years of meditation to reach a higher level of understanding. Just keep on searching and you will find the truth.

Thanks for your understanding. I feel a little better knowing you care. Do I need to shave my head?

[bmolsson]

The imposition of civil duty doesn't compel a particular mental state. It does compel certain actions however.

Forced solidarity is a mental state which the evil state calls civil duty to make it sound better.
Actions are not enough, you are supposed to feel good when you do the duties as well. If you ever been drafted you would understand what I am saying.

If you want to argue that there are old texts that speak of Deity then we have no issue. This is certainly the case. If you want argue that those texts constitute a proof of God's existence then I would disagree. This is the central issue with trying to argue that a "social science" appeal can somehow bring a definitive result to the question of Deity.

I argue that the old texts prove that there are findings and sightings of the existance of something people in old times believe was a deity. The human behavior doesn't normally strife for a deity, hence the logic that something existed. Actually it doesn't prove that the assumed deity is a deity, but it is enough to build a theory on it.

Actually lots of people do research on Deity, just not the kind you hope for the reason being: it is not logically possible.

And how is that ?

Thanks for your understanding. I feel a little better knowing you care. Do I need to shave my head?

Why ? My faith always told me you where bald ???

[Pindar]

Forced solidarity is a mental state which the evil state calls civil duty to make it sound better.
Actions are not enough, you are supposed to feel good when you do the duties as well. If you ever been drafted you would understand what I am saying.

There is nothing in the legal dicta of the U.S. or Indonesia I would wager that conflates civil duty with a required attitude. The IRS doesn't care if you like or dislike paying tax, as long as you do it.

I argue that the old texts prove that there are findings and sightings of the existance of something people in old times believe was a deity.

Why would you consider something written as a proof?

Are you arguing that belief equals existential reality meaning: I write about something then that something actually happened or exists?

The human behavior doesn't normally strife for a deity, hence the logic that something existed. Actually it doesn't prove that the assumed deity is a deity, but it is enough to build a theory on it.

Given that all cultures have been basically theistic this wouldn't seem to be the case. Atheism (with small exception) is a relatively new standard.

Posted by Pindar
Actually lots of people do research on Deity, just not the kind you hope for the reason being: it is not logically possible.

And how is that ?

Theologians, paranormals, shaman etc.

Why ? My faith always told me you where bald ???

Your faith couldn't see under my hat?

I'm a surfer, surfers can't be bald: it's against the rules.

[bmolsson]

There is nothing in the legal dicta of the U.S. or Indonesia I would wager that conflates civil duty with a required attitude. The IRS doesn't care if you like or dislike paying tax, as long as you do it.

If you believe that blowing up large buildings is a good idea, you will be detained immediately, even if you have not blown any buildings up. Isn't that correct ?

There are many crimes that is set on your mental state, before any actual actions has been taken by you. All in the interest of the safety of the society.

Why would you consider something written as a proof?

Are you arguing that belief equals existential reality meaning: I write about something then that something actually happened or exists?

Not at all. Let us take one example:

If you have 1,000 people eating a cake. You then ask them to tell you what it taste like. The majority answer "strawberry".
Would you consider that the cake taste "strawberry" ?

Now take the same group and ask them to pray. You then ask them to tell you if God answered their prayers. If the majority answered, yes, God answered my prayer.
Would you consider that God exist ?

Given that all cultures have been basically theistic this wouldn't seem to be the case. Atheism (with small exception) is a relatively new standard.

With very few exceptions, all cultures are built around a powerstructure with somebody raised above others. This includes secular cultures.

Theologians, paranormals, shaman etc.

Yep, there you have a point.

Your faith couldn't see under my hat?

I'm a surfer, surfers can't be bald: it's against the rules.

Why would you need hair when surfing the net..... Just say you have it...

[Pindar]

If you believe that blowing up large buildings is a good idea, you will be detained immediately, even if you have not blown any buildings up. Isn't that correct ?

Not in the U.S.

Not at all. Let us take one example:

If you have 1,000 people eating a cake. You then ask them to tell you what it taste like. The majority answer "strawberry".
Would you consider that the cake taste "strawberry" ?

Now take the same group and ask them to pray. You then ask them to tell you if God answered their prayers. If the majority answered, yes, God answered my prayer.
Would you consider that God exist ?

So, your argument is if a 1000 people write God answered their prayer then God exists?

Now if another 1000 write God didn't answer their prayer does God suddenly cease to exist?

bmolsson: The human behavior doesn't normally strife for a deity...

Posted by Pindar
Given that all cultures have been basically theistic this wouldn't seem to be the case. Atheism (with small exception) is a relatively new standard.



With very few exceptions, all cultures are built around a powerstructure with somebody raised above others. This includes secular cultures.

Your reply doesn't really answer my point. I assume you agree that theism has been a general cultural trait.

Why would you need hair when surfing the net..... Just say you have it...

I surf waves baby. Some of my atheist buddies have been to Indonesia on surf trips: never got arrested or barred from the country interestingly enough.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Your reply doesn't really answer my point. I assume you agree that theism has been a general cultural trait.

i have heard of only 1 organized tribal society on a tiny island in indonesia with absolutely no Deistic concept. i have been trying to find a link to information on this tribe, but i cannot

this leads me to believe that it is either right under my nose or the investigation into their origins didn't hold up and the researchers found evidence of a god concept

who knows
anyone have any links?

[bmolsson]

Not in the U.S.

I guess you are right. Gitmo is not a part of US.......

So, your argument is if a 1000 people write God answered their prayer then God exists?

Now if another 1000 write God didn't answer their prayer does God suddenly cease to exist?

No, what I did say was that if 1,000 people believe that the cake taste like strawberry, then it does taste like strawberry.....

I assume you agree that theism has been a general cultural trait.

Yes, I agree to that. Furthermore, I say that due to this there must be some reason for this which we still are unable to with certainty point out. Based on the behavior towards theism, we have enough base to make a theory.

I surf waves baby. Some of my atheist buddies have been to Indonesia on surf trips: never got arrested or barred from the country interestingly enough.

Well, they did get Corby..... Sorry, sarcasm intended....

[Pindar]

I guess you are right. Gitmo is not a part of US.......

No one is in Gitmo for their beliefs though a few are there because they're Indonesian.

No, what I did say was that if 1,000 people believe that the cake taste like strawberry, then it does taste like strawberry.....

I don't know, but the 1000 people seem to believe it does.