Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
This is like watching a stranded goldfish fight a grizzly to the death.
It's actually the crunch of a very long discussion.

Pindar believes in God and old testament, but don't see Creationism as a theory worth looking at. He judge that people belonging to a religion are not really members to the same religion if they don't fit a construct invented at the beginning of the very religion, this regardless the fact that most member of the religion actually do it the other way around.

On the other side we have bmolsson, that doesn't believe in God, have a documentated membership in a religion, since he is a part of the society requiring this membership. Furthermore, he doesn't believe in Creationism, but argue that it's a theory built on findings in literature, human behavior and social patterns, and therefore needs to be respected as a possibility.

Pindar is a religious person that refuse to see the evolution of religion and it's role in society. He also mocks the result of the evolution and judge peoples be or not to be based on the fundamentalistic view that if you don't believe in the metaphysical deity, you can not be a part of any religion.

As a metaphore, better than yours above, this is the race between the rabbit and the turtle. The rabbit is for sure the fastest, but not really interested in the race. The turtle keeps on working itself towards the goal without looking back or think of how it looks during the race. In the end, reality and objectivity wins.......