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    Default OiM Balcan factions

    Here are my ideas for OiM balcan factions:

    I ask Romanian members to check them, correct what they like or give me more ideas.

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    First. You should understand that it was incredibly hard to create those lists - they are supposed to be quite realistic and useful for the mod at the same time, so sometimes I made decisions you can disagree with. Anyway it is your mod, so you can choose what to add and what to remove, but I really put some effort in creating these 3 unit rosters.

    Second. Often there is an incredible variaty of weaponry amongst on 'unit' - they were using all manner of weapons - spears, sabres, lances, shields, bows, pistols, arquebusiers - sometimes all of them !

    Third. The names are in Romanian, but there is a problem that sometimes the same unit is described with several names at the same time, with a name of a completely different unit or even with a name which seems created by the guy who described it. Terrible !

    All right let's start.

    Generic

    Wallachian and Moldavian ( + possibly Transylvanian) bodyguards were called Boieri de Casa or Copii de Casa.

    THey were better armed than ordinary Boieri, so should be armed with lances, sabres and should be WELL armoured and possibly with shields as well. It is the only one truly generic unit I can propose.



    WALLACHIA

    The faction is famous of its light cavalry, but was using some quite interesting units of infantry as well ( including Transylvanian Haiduks).

    The majority of its armies were made of cavalry.

    Cavalry:

    Boieri ( Wallachian Boyars - if you preferr the names in English - Boieri is the general term in Romanian),

    Spear was the favourite weapon of the Wallachians, so their Boieri should use:

    - lances ( in Polish called 'oseka') - with a hook added from one side - it was used to unhorse enemies even after the initial charge, a very good weapon,
    - sabres,

    - shields - usually curved as the Rac, Hungarian Hussars etc.

    - armour - light, they were the elite so could afford it.

    Curteni

    These were retainers of the Boyars. Should be armed in the same way, but without armour.

    Calarisi

    These were border guards. They should use either bow and spear or just bow and sabre. They were proffessional soldiers supposed to guard all the entries to Wallachia, especially the bridges/crosses over Danube.


    Infantry:

    Wasn't numerous, but should be there.

    Strajeri

    It was MOUNTED INFANTRY, but it is impossible to recreate their power correctly, unfortunatelly.

    So they should be treated as infantry.

    Armed with sabres and bows.

    NOTE - sometimes they are called Seimeni or Voinici - I am not sure which name is correct, though.


    Dorobanti

    Guardians of the passes in Carpathia mountains.

    Armed with double-handed axes and bows or arquebuses. In my opinion they should get the arquebuses to show that they were an elite unit.

    Should be able to hide everywhere, in my opinion, because they usually were used to attack enemy from behind or to ambush him

    ++++ additional units++++++

    Haiduks and Transylvanian Szekely - described later.


    MOLDAVIA

    In later XVIth century it was quite poor country and its army was much worse than during the reign of Stefan the Great.
    For this reason their cavalry should be less numerous.

    Cavalry:

    Boieri ( Moldavian Boyars)

    Moldavian armies were always using a large number of archers, for this reason their Boieri should use:

    - sabres,
    - bows,
    + armour - I don't think they should use shields.

    Curteni and Strajeri ( this infantry) should use the same equipment as the Wallachians - in fact these units should be SHARED by the both factions

    Calarisi

    Moldavian Calarisi should use sabres and bows and no spears in my opinion.

    Infantry:

    Razesi

    These were landowning peasants who provided the armies of Stefan the Great with a large nymber of willing to fight soldiers, however in later years their number was much smaller and their weapons were worse as well.

    They should be armed with spears only, but should use normal, square formation.

    Tarani also called Judete ( different source)

    Peasantsa called to arms. Should use scythes and appear in large units, horde formation. Morale slightly higher than of the average peasantry.

    ++++++ additional units++++

    + Haiduks,

    + Tatars - the army of Moldavia was using a large number of those - from Budhak horde,

    + Cossacks - your choice which ones.

    TRANSYLVANIA

    Richer, more western and Hungarian-Romanian faction, sharing some units, but not all.

    Boieri

    Transylvanian Boyars were much more western in appearance.

    These should use PISTOLS and sabres with usual armour as well. Possibly it is not completely realistic, but will give some flavour to the game.

    Hungarian Hussars

    The 'core' and the majority of the Tansylvanian armies.

    Weaponry:
    - lance ( 3 meters, hollow, but wasn't so stiff as the Husaria's so could BEND - I am not sure if it is possible to recreate it or if it is even worth trying),
    - sabre,
    - shield with wing,
    - armour and helmet.

    You can see it in Polish Armies plate 1 - Pskow 1581 - should be good enough.

    Szekely

    Szekels were both cavalry and infantry, but it seems more realistic to make them as cavalry.

    Armed with spears and axes ( similar to Polish Pancerni in later period - called 'nadziak') + shields and no real armour.

    Infantry:

    Haiduks

    There is plenty of information in Polish roster. HUngarian Haiduks should wear different uniforms and use larger numbers in units. You can give them slightly better close combat capabilities, but it is not so important.

    Saxon Militia

    Transylvanian Germans were called 'Saxons'.

    They provided Transylvanians with reliable infantry - usually town militia.

    Should be halberdiers in armour and morions.

    ++++++++ additionally++++++

    Cossacks - your choice,

    + western mercenaries - pikemen, musketeers etc,
    + sometimes even Poles, but I can't suggest anything.

    NOTES

    ALL cavalry units should get bonus fighting in snow and good stamina ( hardy),

    ALL infantry should be experts in hiding in woods, be able to hide in long grass and have bonus when fighting in snow or in woods.

    UNIFORMS

    Thre were almost none really uniformed units - except Haiduks, Saxon Militia and possibly the Hussars, but there are some features useful to prepare all the models and skins:

    - beards - all Wallachians were growing these - possibly it was popular amongst Moldavians and Transylvanians as well,
    - large fur caps - the Wallachian cavalryman from POlish Armies ( plate - the siege of Danzig) is a good example,
    - skeletons, skulls, devils images on shields were popular amongst the Wallachians - possibly amongst other two as well,

    LINK

    You know it http://pubwww.srce.hr/husar/

    but I want to have it in one place.

    I will upgrade the rosters with more suggestions, but rather no more units will be added.

    Regards Cegorach

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    Default Re: OiM Balcan factions

    Just to make sure you know. The mod starts in 1569

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    Brilliant representation of Romanian culture and social realities during 1569.....You have proven that there are perspectives for a Romanian faction. Suggestion: Wallachian ruler (Mihai Voievod), Transylvanian ruler ( the Bathory family), Moldavian ruler (the Musat dynasty, Simion Movila). Romanian factions should have close ties with Mantua, Tosca, Ferrara, Poland and Austria as part of The Holy League.Theese ties should bring some cannons in the crpatho-danubiano-pontic space.
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    Cego,

    Historical facts:

    - In Wallachia we have Mihai Viteazul who unified the country for one year, from 1600-1601

    - In Transilvania, we have the Hungarian rule, from the 1400ds we have for example, Mathas Corvin and Iancu of Hunedoara ( I can give you a picture of the Huniads castle, very impressive)

    - In Moldavia, we have the end of the rule of Stephen the Great

    Unit types:

    Wallachia

    Plentiful horsemen and archers.

    Boyars - Boieri - leaders of the administrative stuff and also the best and most powerful units of the Wallachians. They used:
    - Bow( not very often)
    - Sword( they used it, especially the Voievode, because he almost always engaged in close combat)
    -Armour, light and heavy(the Voievode)

    Archers - Don't forget to add them, they were very numerous.

    Strajeri - The translation of "Strajeri" is guard or watchmen( a sta de straja = to stay on guard). They quite rarely seen the battlefield because they guarded and stayed in the castles. They were the watchmen of the castles. They were armed with bows and spears.

    Curteni - means "Men of the Court", they accompanied the nobles on the battlefield as squires, sometimes participated in battles as light infantry.

    Haiduks - Only for Moldavia


    Moldavia

    Plentiful peasantry and archers, many tartar horsemen( Kiev and Basarabia was full of Tartars)

    They were formed mainly of peasantry, and had very reduced contigents of very powerful soldiers, only the Boyars. Also, many unit types like the Wallachians.

    Haiduks - Haiduks were the free men of the Moldavian society who were wanted by the local chief and good soldiers although they didn't fight( they fought with the militias of the chief)


    Hunters - Gunpowder men, they were evoked in the epic " Sobieski and the Romanians". Sobieski , the Polish King, invaded Moldavia and sieged a castle. Defending them were only 25 Hunters. Many polish soldiers died, and under 10 men survived when the Poles entered the castle. Sobieski wanted to kill them because only a handful of men resisted his great army. Fortunately, his personal advisor told him that they only did they job and so Sobieski was impressed and the Poles left Moldavia.

    Razesi - Landowning peasants who were willing to fight and young also.

    Judete - means province

    Hopefully Cegorach this will help. PM me if you need any help!!!

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    Archers - Don't forget to add them, they were very numerous.

    >>>>>>>>>>>> Horse or foot ?
    How were they called in Romanian ?

    Strajeri - The translation of "Strajeri" is guard or watchmen( a sta de straja = to stay on guard). They quite rarely seen the battlefield because they guarded and stayed in the castles. They were the watchmen of the castles. They were armed with bows and spears.

    >>>>>>>>>> According all sources I have they were cavalry or rather mounted infantry, am I wrong ?

    Curteni - means "Men of the Court", they accompanied the nobles on the battlefield as squires, sometimes participated in battles as light infantry.

    >>>>>>>>> So they were not cavalrymen ?

    Haiduks - Only for Moldavia

    >>>>>>>>>> I remember though that when the Ottomans were invading Wallachia in late XVIth century ( around 1595) Wallachian army used numerous Haiduks and decent number of cannons - this massive firepower annihilated Ottoman Akinji cavalry which was never used after this war.

    So were these guys mercenaries, Haiduks or some local guys - I have read that the Wallachians despised gunpowder weapons, so I believe they were mercenary Haiduks from Transylvania - again, am I wrong ?







    Moldavia

    who were wanted by the local chief and good soldiers although they didn't fight( they fought with the militias of the chief)

    >>>>>>>>>>> I am confused were they fighting or not ? Were they from Moldavia or from Transylvania/other place ( Cossacks ?) ?


    Hunters - Gunpowder men, they were evoked in the epic " Sobieski and the Romanians". Sobieski , the Polish King, invaded Moldavia and sieged a castle. Defending them were only 25 Hunters. Many polish soldiers died, and under 10 men survived when the Poles entered the castle. Sobieski wanted to kill them because only a handful of men resisted his great army. Fortunately, his personal advisor told him that they only did they job and so Sobieski was impressed and the Poles left Moldavia.

    >>>>>>>>> Interesting. What should they be called ? I need Romanian name again.
    BTW I would be greateful for singular and plural names in Romanian for all the units I proposed - some are correct I believe, but I want to make sure it is all right. PMTW mod uses names in national languages so it is essential to have them all written CORRECTLY.



    Judete - means province

    >>>>>>>> So Tarani would be a better name ?

    Hopefully Cegorach this will help. PM me if you need any help!!!

    >>>>>>>>>> I will, thanks.

    I actually need some information about possible office titles (for MTW Pike & Musket mod) and historical heroes/anti-heroes useful for MTW edition of PMTW, OiM mod and RTW edition of PMTW.

    Currently I have only Stephen the Great ( Moldavia starts with him in early era of PMTW 1.0) and Michael the Brave - I need more - up to 30 !!!

    Regards Cegorach

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    Please try the link http://pubwww.srce.hr/husar/
    and tell me which images would be the best for these units I described. I would be greateful - because we need accurate images for RTW graphics

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    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach1

    >>>>>>>>>>>> Horse or foot ?
    How were they called in Romanian ?

    >>>>>>>>>> According all sources I have they were cavalry or rather mounted infantry, am I wrong ?


    >>>>>>>>> So they were not cavalrymen ?

    >>>>>>>>>> I remember though that when the Ottomans were invading Wallachia in late XVIth century ( around 1595) Wallachian army used numerous Haiduks and decent number of cannons - this massive firepower annihilated Ottoman Akinji cavalry which was never used after this war.

    So were these guys mercenaries, Haiduks or some local guys - I have read that the Wallachians despised gunpowder weapons, so I believe they were mercenary Haiduks from Transylvania - again, am I wrong ?







    Moldavia

    who were wanted by the local chief and good soldiers although they didn't fight( they fought with the militias of the chief)

    >>>>>>>>>>> I am confused were they fighting or not ? Were they from Moldavia or from Transylvania/other place ( Cossacks ?) ?

    >>>>>>>>> Interesting. What should they be called ? I need Romanian name again.
    BTW I would be greateful for singular and plural names in Romanian for all the units I proposed - some are correct I believe, but I want to make sure it is all right. PMTW mod uses names in national languages so it is essential to have them all written CORRECTLY.

    >>>>>>>> So Tarani would be a better name ?

    >>>>>>>>>> I will, thanks.

    I actually need some information about possible office titles (for MTW Pike & Musket mod) and historical heroes/anti-heroes useful for MTW edition of PMTW, OiM mod and RTW edition of PMTW.

    Currently I have only Stephen the Great ( Moldavia starts with him in early era of PMTW 1.0) and Michael the Brave - I need more - up to 30 !!!

    Regards Cegorach

    Dear Cego,

    Here are the answers:

    Arcasi - Romanian name for archers and they were foot...

    The Curteni were mounted soldiers but they hadn't the same skill and power as the Boyars.... They were medium cavalry....

    As far as I know, Strajeri are only foot soldiers....

    Haiduks are light cavalry...They sometimes used the bow but very often they used what they could find, especially gunpowder stuff... Pistols especially... But they were devastating.... They used tacticts like the Mongols: Hit and run....

    Those hunters were called - Plaiesi -

    Yeah... Tarani is the perfect way to describe peasants... Or Jobbagy, because the Romanian name - iobagi - means also peasant....


    About the leaders, I'm digging up to give you info....

    Hopefully it will help!!!
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    I am shocked!!!

    Hajduci (hajduks) were Serbian warriors who fought against Ottomans. Traditionaly they gathered in 6th May (St George - Djurdjevdan on Serbian) and they left 8th of November (St Demetrous - Mitrovdan on Serbian). Their chief was called harambasha. They were some kind of guerylla units who attacked Turkish trade caravanes, garrisones at roads etc.

    The most famous Serbian hajduk was hajduk Veljko who was one of Serbian military commanders in First Serbian Rebellion against Ottomans (1804-1813) who fought in Eastern Serbia (Timocka krajina).

    Word hajduk had arab-turkish origin and means thief.

    When Haji Mustafa was killed in 1801 in Serbia came dahije and huge number of Serbs went in hajduks.

    In Serbian tradition we have a lot of epics about hajduks who were national heroes who fought agains Ottoman represion.
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    [QUOTE=DukeofSerbia]I am shocked!!!

    I am shocked because of your shock

    Sorry, but Haiduks were present in all balcan armies + in Poland. In fact the most famous Haiduks were from Hungary.

    So please - leave this agression for other topics, ok ?

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