OiM Balcan factions

[edyzmedieval]

Cego,

Historical facts:

- In Wallachia we have Mihai Viteazul who unified the country for one year, from 1600-1601

- In Transilvania, we have the Hungarian rule, from the 1400ds we have for example, Mathas Corvin and Iancu of Hunedoara ( I can give you a picture of the Huniads castle, very impressive)

- In Moldavia, we have the end of the rule of Stephen the Great

Unit types:

Wallachia

Plentiful horsemen and archers.

Boyars - Boieri - leaders of the administrative stuff and also the best and most powerful units of the Wallachians. They used:
- Bow( not very often)
- Sword( they used it, especially the Voievode, because he almost always engaged in close combat)
-Armour, light and heavy(the Voievode)

Archers - Don't forget to add them, they were very numerous.

Strajeri - The translation of "Strajeri" is guard or watchmen( a sta de straja = to stay on guard). They quite rarely seen the battlefield because they guarded and stayed in the castles. They were the watchmen of the castles. They were armed with bows and spears.

Curteni - means "Men of the Court", they accompanied the nobles on the battlefield as squires, sometimes participated in battles as light infantry.

Haiduks - Only for Moldavia


Moldavia

Plentiful peasantry and archers, many tartar horsemen( Kiev and Basarabia was full of Tartars)

They were formed mainly of peasantry, and had very reduced contigents of very powerful soldiers, only the Boyars. Also, many unit types like the Wallachians.

Haiduks - Haiduks were the free men of the Moldavian society who were wanted by the local chief and good soldiers although they didn't fight( they fought with the militias of the chief)


Hunters - Gunpowder men, they were evoked in the epic " Sobieski and the Romanians". Sobieski , the Polish King, invaded Moldavia and sieged a castle. Defending them were only 25 Hunters. Many polish soldiers died, and under 10 men survived when the Poles entered the castle. Sobieski wanted to kill them because only a handful of men resisted his great army. Fortunately, his personal advisor told him that they only did they job and so Sobieski was impressed and the Poles left Moldavia.

Razesi - Landowning peasants who were willing to fight and young also.

Judete - means province

Hopefully Cegorach this will help. PM me if you need any help!!!

Cheers!

[cegorach]

Archers - Don't forget to add them, they were very numerous.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Horse or foot ?
How were they called in Romanian ?

Strajeri - The translation of "Strajeri" is guard or watchmen( a sta de straja = to stay on guard). They quite rarely seen the battlefield because they guarded and stayed in the castles. They were the watchmen of the castles. They were armed with bows and spears.

>>>>>>>>>> According all sources I have they were cavalry or rather mounted infantry, am I wrong ?

Curteni - means "Men of the Court", they accompanied the nobles on the battlefield as squires, sometimes participated in battles as light infantry.

>>>>>>>>> So they were not cavalrymen ?

Haiduks - Only for Moldavia

>>>>>>>>>> I remember though that when the Ottomans were invading Wallachia in late XVIth century ( around 1595) Wallachian army used numerous Haiduks and decent number of cannons - this massive firepower annihilated Ottoman Akinji cavalry which was never used after this war.

So were these guys mercenaries, Haiduks or some local guys - I have read that the Wallachians despised gunpowder weapons, so I believe they were mercenary Haiduks from Transylvania - again, am I wrong ?







Moldavia

who were wanted by the local chief and good soldiers although they didn't fight( they fought with the militias of the chief)

>>>>>>>>>>> I am confused were they fighting or not ? Were they from Moldavia or from Transylvania/other place ( Cossacks ?) ?


Hunters - Gunpowder men, they were evoked in the epic " Sobieski and the Romanians". Sobieski , the Polish King, invaded Moldavia and sieged a castle. Defending them were only 25 Hunters. Many polish soldiers died, and under 10 men survived when the Poles entered the castle. Sobieski wanted to kill them because only a handful of men resisted his great army. Fortunately, his personal advisor told him that they only did they job and so Sobieski was impressed and the Poles left Moldavia.

>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What should they be called ? I need Romanian name again.
BTW I would be greateful for singular and plural names in Romanian for all the units I proposed - some are correct I believe, but I want to make sure it is all right. PMTW mod uses names in national languages so it is essential to have them all written CORRECTLY.



Judete - means province

>>>>>>>> So Tarani would be a better name ?

Hopefully Cegorach this will help. PM me if you need any help!!!

>>>>>>>>>> I will, thanks.

I actually need some information about possible office titles (for MTW Pike & Musket mod) and historical heroes/anti-heroes useful for MTW edition of PMTW, OiM mod and RTW edition of PMTW.

Currently I have only Stephen the Great ( Moldavia starts with him in early era of PMTW 1.0) and Michael the Brave - I need more - up to 30 !!!

Regards Cegorach

[cegorach]

Please try the link http://pubwww.srce.hr/husar/
and tell me which images would be the best for these units I described. I would be greateful - because we need accurate images for RTW graphics

[cegorach]

I have found something Strajeri de Garda - it seems that only these soldiers were used to guard Wallachian palaces/castles and original Strajeri were horse infantrymen.

Any comments ?

[edyzmedieval]

>>>>>>>>>>>> Horse or foot ?
How were they called in Romanian ?

>>>>>>>>>> According all sources I have they were cavalry or rather mounted infantry, am I wrong ?


>>>>>>>>> So they were not cavalrymen ?

>>>>>>>>>> I remember though that when the Ottomans were invading Wallachia in late XVIth century ( around 1595) Wallachian army used numerous Haiduks and decent number of cannons - this massive firepower annihilated Ottoman Akinji cavalry which was never used after this war.

So were these guys mercenaries, Haiduks or some local guys - I have read that the Wallachians despised gunpowder weapons, so I believe they were mercenary Haiduks from Transylvania - again, am I wrong ?







Moldavia

who were wanted by the local chief and good soldiers although they didn't fight( they fought with the militias of the chief)

>>>>>>>>>>> I am confused were they fighting or not ? Were they from Moldavia or from Transylvania/other place ( Cossacks ?) ?

>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What should they be called ? I need Romanian name again.
BTW I would be greateful for singular and plural names in Romanian for all the units I proposed - some are correct I believe, but I want to make sure it is all right. PMTW mod uses names in national languages so it is essential to have them all written CORRECTLY.

>>>>>>>> So Tarani would be a better name ?

>>>>>>>>>> I will, thanks.

I actually need some information about possible office titles (for MTW Pike & Musket mod) and historical heroes/anti-heroes useful for MTW edition of PMTW, OiM mod and RTW edition of PMTW.

Currently I have only Stephen the Great ( Moldavia starts with him in early era of PMTW 1.0) and Michael the Brave - I need more - up to 30 !!!

Regards Cegorach

Dear Cego,

Here are the answers:

Arcasi - Romanian name for archers and they were foot...

The Curteni were mounted soldiers but they hadn't the same skill and power as the Boyars.... They were medium cavalry....

As far as I know, Strajeri are only foot soldiers....

Haiduks are light cavalry...They sometimes used the bow but very often they used what they could find, especially gunpowder stuff... Pistols especially... But they were devastating.... They used tacticts like the Mongols: Hit and run....

Those hunters were called - Plaiesi -

Yeah... Tarani is the perfect way to describe peasants... Or Jobbagy, because the Romanian name - iobagi - means also peasant....


About the leaders, I'm digging up to give you info....

Hopefully it will help!!!
Cheers!!!

[edyzmedieval]

Dear Cego,here's some more info I gathered that might help you...

Pandours - Musket men, in romanian - panduri - they were the best shooters in Romanian armies....

At that website you gave me, check at Horse and Musket and at the Pandours 1 and 2 are perfect, especially 2.

For Haiduks - check at Pike and Shot, the Croatian Light Carabinier 1640.. the haiduks look like this only without some stuff like that thing on the head... And instead of the long musket, only a pistol...

I'm checking for more info and checking the pictures and I'm gonna post the feedback.... Hopefully I will find a website which will give you more info....

[cegorach]

[QUOTE=edyzmedieval]Dear Cego,here's some more info I gathered that might help you...

Pandours - Musket men, in romanian - panduri - they were the best shooters in Romanian armies....

At that website you gave me, check at Horse and Musket and at the Pandours 1 and 2 are perfect, especially 2.

I didn't know that the Pandours were present in Romanian armies. I will add them as a very advanced unit for later period of the game ( after 'the Marian reforms'). It is good that you give the information about the images - it will really quicken the process of preparing the Danube factions for OiM mod and some of these units will appear in PMTW for MTW and RTW as well




TO ALL OF YOU

You might be interested in playing PMTW 1.0 for MTW VI - this is earliy release of the mod ( so none new graphics yet) , but it will give you the basic knowledge of my approach to the balcan factions.

Check PMTW downloads thread for more

[edyzmedieval]

[QUOTE=cegorach1]

Dear Cego,here's some more info I gathered that might help you...

Pandours - Musket men, in romanian - panduri - they were the best shooters in Romanian armies....

At that website you gave me, check at Horse and Musket and at the Pandours 1 and 2 are perfect, especially 2.

I didn't know that the Pandours were present in Romanian armies. I will add them as a very advanced unit for later period of the game ( after 'the Marian reforms'). It is good that you give the information about the images - it will really quicken the process of preparing the Danube factions for OiM mod and some of these units will appear in PMTW for MTW and RTW as well




TO ALL OF YOU

You might be interested in playing PMTW 1.0 for MTW VI - this is earliy release of the mod ( so none new graphics yet) , but it will give you the basic knowledge of my approach to the balcan factions.

Check PMTW downloads thread for more

Dear Cego,

Exactly what I was gonna say to you. Pandours started their existence in the 18th century.

Cheers!

[cegorach]

[QUOTE=edyzmedieval]Dear Cego,

Here are the answers:

Arcasi - Romanian name for archers and they were foot...

The Curteni were mounted soldiers but they hadn't the same skill and power as the Boyars.... They were medium cavalry....

As far as I know, Strajeri are only foot soldiers....

Haiduks are light cavalry...They sometimes used the bow but very often they used what they could find, especially gunpowder stuff... Pistols especially... But they were devastating.... They used tacticts like the Mongols: Hit and run....

Those hunters were called - Plaiesi -

Yeah... Tarani is the perfect way to describe peasants... Or Jobbagy, because the Romanian name - iobagi - means also peasant....

>>>>>>>>>>> All right I will add Arcasi, Plaiesi, Strajeri will be infantrymen as planned, because it is not possible to dismount anything in RTW the way it was possible in MTW...

THe Haiduks - well, I can bet they were infantrymen with gunpowder weaponry. You must be mistaken or there is a wider meaning of the term in Romania. THey will be infantrymen for sure.
Jobbagy - Tarani is better I think. The word Jobbagy is used in Hungarian as well, and I need something more Romanian

The leaders would be good...

Regards Cegorach

[edyzmedieval]

[QUOTE=cegorach1]

Dear Cego,

Here are the answers:

Arcasi - Romanian name for archers and they were foot...

The Curteni were mounted soldiers but they hadn't the same skill and power as the Boyars.... They were medium cavalry....

As far as I know, Strajeri are only foot soldiers....

Haiduks are light cavalry...They sometimes used the bow but very often they used what they could find, especially gunpowder stuff... Pistols especially... But they were devastating.... They used tacticts like the Mongols: Hit and run....

Those hunters were called - Plaiesi -

Yeah... Tarani is the perfect way to describe peasants... Or Jobbagy, because the Romanian name - iobagi - means also peasant....

>>>>>>>>>>> All right I will add Arcasi, Plaiesi, Strajeri will be infantrymen as planned, because it is not possible to dismount anything in RTW the way it was possible in MTW...

THe Haiduks - well, I can bet they were infantrymen with gunpowder weaponry. You must be mistaken or there is a wider meaning of the term in Romania. THey will be infantrymen for sure.
Jobbagy - Tarani is better I think. The word Jobbagy is used in Hungarian as well, and I need something more Romanian

The leaders would be good...

Regards Cegorach

Dear Cego,

In Romania, haiduks were light cavalry... I have found also the explanation of Haiduks in Romanian - Men who lived in the 16th,17th,18th and they were "out-of-law" - Rarely Haiduks fought on foot....

Cheers!

[cegorach]

In Romania, haiduks were light cavalry... I have found also the explanation of Haiduks in Romanian - Men who lived in the 16th,17th,18th and they were "out-of-law" - Rarely Haiduks fought on foot....

Good it is finally explained...

Waiting for more information.

Regards Cegorach

[cegorach]

I consider the Danube factions' rosters ready. I only need more images.

The thread will be used for MOntenegro and Balcan allies of the Ottomans.