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    I'm curious to know what people think of this. It's a guy using Google Maps to pinpoint the residences of sex offenders in the D.C. area, complete with mugshots.
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    I am really not sure. If it helped reduce the number of assaults significantly it may be tolerable, but it does violate an individual's privacy. However, they did (most likely anyway...) committ a sexual assault so it is for the most part their fault. Gonna have to go with Gah! for now.
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    I would rather violate an offenders privacy then risk a child getting...you know....
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    Why stop at sex offenders?

    Why not allow everyone full information on all your neighbours, workers, son-in-law, girlfriend etc
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    Hah, page taken down.

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    How about we just kill the sick you know whats, then there would be no argument over sex offender mapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Why stop at sex offenders?

    Why not allow everyone full information on all your neighbours, workers, son-in-law, girlfriend etc
    Well, presumably those people aren't sex offenders- I think that's an important difference.
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    I wouldn't mind seeing density maps, but specific names, faces and addresses are well out of order.

    Presumably they have been convicted, sentenced, and endured their sentence. Vigilantes should not be going round trying to exacerbate that sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Why stop at sex offenders?

    Why not allow everyone full information on all your neighbours, workers, son-in-law, girlfriend etc
    Well we do require information about the people we are going to date or marry or for son-in-laws. And introducing yourself to the neighbour across the hall or next door is fairly common. We do not require them to provide any information because they have done nothing to warrant such a demand. If on the other hand we saw them bathing nude in the hottub with their 12 year old daughter we, or at least most of us would demand answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgb
    Presumably they have been convicted, sentenced, and endured their sentence. Vigilantes should not be going round trying to exacerbate that sentence.
    Criminal records are considered public information in many places. There's even Internet services that will run criminal history checks on almost anyone if you pay a small fee. If someone takes that initiative to compile what is public information I don't really see the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    Criminal records are considered public information in many places. There's even Internet services that will run criminal history checks on almost anyone if you pay a small fee. If someone takes that initiative to compile what is public information I don't really see the problem.
    If that is the case, then that is fair enough, although I am not sure if addresses and faces are part of that public information. But yes, fundamentally if it's publicly available information, then I have no issues with it.

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    Somebody explain to me how this is any different from the sex offender registry? You know the one required by law that all sex offenders have to put information to, such as where they live, what they look like. Nobody yells about that, why yell about the same thing with google in it though.
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    you can currently get that information very easily in the city where I'm currently living. What we want to know is why can't we find out where the other violent criminals are living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    Criminal records are considered public information in many places. There's even Internet services that will run criminal history checks on almost anyone if you pay a small fee. If someone takes that initiative to compile what is public information I don't really see the problem.
    My thoughts exactly.

    Although I find doing such a thing is in the moral grey area, it doesn't infringe privacy since criminal records are normally public anyway (except when a term expires I guess, I don' t know the exact details...).
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    As a parent I say go for it.

    As a normal human being I say I have a problem with it. This guy has no official status and no accountability. What happens if he makes a mistake, or if you p him off and he puts your face up there for fun? Here in the UK we have had vigilantes attacking paediatricians because mouth breathers don't know the difference between paediatricians and paedophile. Women who look a bit like Maxine Carr (who was involved in covering up a child killing) have been attacked in the street, some repeatedly.

    If this sort of thing takes off god help you if you bear a passing resemblance to the local paedophile

    Leave it to the cops and the criminal records bureau I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    Well, presumably those people aren't sex offenders- I think that's an important difference.
    Please note that what the site says just now:
    And all this can happen on the capricious whim of a vengeful colleage, an emotionally disturbed family member in "repressed memory" therapy, a school child craving the attention of her peers after watching an exciting grown-up program on television the night before. Even if there is no evidence. Even if the accuser can't produce consistent accounts. Even if child protective services doesn't find any credibility to the accusation. Because no aspiring district attorney can afford to drop a sex offense charge in the face of the witch hunt - it's political suicide, the charges are a dime a dozen, and nearly every single one is a guaranteed conviction.
    Since accused sex offender = sex offender, everyone might be tomorrow`s sex offender, even you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
    Since accused sex offender = sex offender, everyone might be tomorrow`s sex offender, even you.
    That's something completely different of course, I thought it was about convicted offenders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Why stop at sex offenders?

    Why not allow everyone full information on all your neighbours, workers, son-in-law, girlfriend etc
    Ohh that sounds like fun!

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    Actually, a society without secrets wouldn't be too bad, once we realize there's always dirt to be found, we might stop focussing so much on it. Although, i really don't want to know what my parents are 'into'.

    Also, cheating on your wife or ******* a ten year old boy are dirt on such a different level that there's almost no comparison possible.
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    Does anybody here really delude themselves into believing we still have a 'right to privacy' anymore? The only place the 'right to privacy' is alive and well is abortion, as SCOTUS decided that was the overriding legal principle upon which to base it's ruling that states cannot restrict access to abortion.

    When it comes to what most of us think as privacy, you'd be shocked and amazed how much of your personal information is out there floating around. In most states, the DMV has the right to (and does) sell lists of all licensed drivers in the state. Your local tax assessor office sells homeowner information to mortgage companies. And let's not get started on the credit card companies....

    So why should we make pedophiles a protected class? You can hand my data around but not theirs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Does anybody here really delude themselves into believing we still have a 'right to privacy' anymore? The only place the 'right to privacy' is alive and well is abortion, as SCOTUS decided that was the overriding legal principle upon which to base it's ruling that states cannot restrict access to abortion.
    That's not about privacy, that's about the difference between 'private' and 'public' affairs. Privacy is about the right to keep information secret, to a degree.

    I think the EU has better privacy protection than the US, since we don't really care as much about the 'freedom of information' on basic principle. We can restrict companies from sharing information.

    Of course, with the internet, privacy is only what you manage to make it. Be careful what you fill out or sign, be careful who you talk to, be mindful that everyone can be carrying a camera, especially since the cell phone cameras and that camera's can (and often are) placed at public locations (in the broad sense of the word).

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    But if we ignore them and give them plenty of time alone with young children, they will be good people again!

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    The problem I have with this is to do with the fact that I think the only thing you'd really be able to use the information for is some kind of illegal persecution. Why would you need to find out there was a paedophile in your neighbourhood if not to harm them? What are you going to do, refuse to let your kids leave the house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
    The problem I have with this is to do with the fact that I think the only thing you'd really be able to use the information for is some kind of illegal persecution. Why would you need to find out there was a paedophile in your neighbourhood if not to harm them? What are you going to do, refuse to let your kids leave the house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
    The problem I have with this is to do with the fact that I think the only thing you'd really be able to use the information for is some kind of illegal persecution. Why would you need to find out there was a paedophile in your neighbourhood if not to harm them? What are you going to do, refuse to let your kids leave the house?
    Well said that man!

    Plus it is a gros invasion of privacy, what if he got someone wrong anyway? Do we really want people outside of the state and the proper authorities knowing all this? I really do not think so.
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    imo, once you've been charged and convicted of molesting children you forfiet your right to privacy about the event.

    i also believe that child molesters have one of the highest rates of ricidivism, meaning they continue to molest even after they've been convicted and 'served' their time.

    every state in the union, as far as i know, has mandatory registery of sexual offenders, and the info is available via the internet.

    as a parent, i too want to know if some sicko's are living in my nieghborhood so i can keep an eye on my daughter when she's outside playing.

    life in prison or a bullet to the back of the head would be a simple solution, but prolly not practical.

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    I don't have any problems with a convicted child molester having to report his address. And BKS, there's lots of reasons you might want to know Chester the Molester moved in next to you and your kids...

    -You won't allow your children to leave without supervision
    -You'll know to keep an eye out at the local park & such
    -You'll make plans to escort your child to school.
    - If you see strange behavior from an individual, such as offering candy, asking for help finding a puppy or such, you'll be able to include that a known sex offender lives in your area when you file the report.

    The statistics are pretty clear on this one. The vast majority of those who abuse children will re-offend. Each time, they become progressively more violent, either as their depravity increases (they need to inflict physical harm as well as sexual abuse) or even to just protect themselves (strangled witnesses can't accuse).

    Yes, some minor percentage, I believe about 20% learn their lesson and do not re-offend. 80% do at some point in their life.

    Now, the particular vehicle for posting the offenders' information causes me concern. In the United States, any state that has a sex offender registry has a website that publishes all the info this guy does, so at best, he's being redundant, and others have pointed out, the potential for abuse exists.

    This does raise another big, big flag that we deal with all the time with the sex offenders list... not registering address changes is supposed to be a probation violation, but it's estimated over 50% of registered offenders do not reside at their last listed address and could not be found by authorities. In that case with the girl who was abducted, repeatedly raped and and then strangled, down in Florida over Easter weekend, the offender (who was out of prison on parole for a sex offense against a child) wasn't even residing in the same munipality. He moved in with his sister, across the street from the victim, and never reported the address change.

    THAT is why we maintain a sexual offenders registry and why we should. The odds are that given enough time out of prison, they will do it again, and the violence of their acts will continue to escalate. If you don't have sexual offenders in the UK or the rest of Europe, count yourselves lucky, but don't pretend you understand what we're going through either.
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    Page take down, so can't comment on it, specifically.

    However, there was some TV FBI drama on the other day, and having nothing else to do, I watched it. It dealt with a guy who killed would-be serial killers before they ever got the chance to commit murder. One of the FBI agents supported it, since she was abducted and apparently abused as a child. The other FBI agents thought he was another psycho, just a self-righteous one.

    If all the sex offenders need to register their addresses, mapping them out is no big step. It's just information. Acting on it is what makes the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
    The problem I have with this is to do with the fact that I think the only thing you'd really be able to use the information for is some kind of illegal persecution. Why would you need to find out there was a e in your neighbourhood if not to harm them? What are you going to do, refuse to let your kids leave the house?
    Well, i see the gross invasion of privacy a lesser of two evils. Neither are good...but keep in mind that, IIRC, many offenders will do the same thing twice.


    The public should know if an offender lives next door.IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongoose
    Well, i see the gross invasion of privacy a lesser of two evils. Neither are good...but keep in mind that, IIRC, many offenders will do the same thing twice.


    The public should know if an offender lives next door.IMHO.

    in my opinion the police forces in the area should be aware that these people are in their area of responsability....if these people have served their sentences there is no point for this information to be available to the general public...all that would lead to is to a persecution and even attempts at vigilante actions.
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