Mods lying/deleting threads for no reason

[HorseArcher2]

This is BrutalDictatorship...

I've recently been given a 2 day ban under my account name and supplied NO reason. I've used the link that was provided for my initial warning (given 2 points for using the word "retarded", which in itself is assenine) and have not been given one point since.

since that point, I've noticed I've, in actuality (on the page that shows you all your warnings) just had an additional 2 warning points put up, not in reference to any posts, but just because a mod didn't like what I had to say. Again, no post was ever cited, there's just 2 random points put up on my record, with the word "minor" next to them.

This is utterly unacceptable. Not only that, but it takes 5 points to be given even a 1 day ban...so how can I be given a 2 day ban after 4 points, 2 of which have no justification?

Not only do the mods here lie and sneak around the forums, they don't even lie accurately.

I have send FOUR emails to the staff asking for an explanation...not one response. I'd like all of you to please check "BrutalDictatorship" user CP and find one example of a post that required a warning. After you see there are none you will have found proof that the mods here are lying and being biased.

thanks for your time...

p.s. You will definitely see me around here before my 2 day ban is up, considering that I have 3 accounts from 3 different IP's. Again, I have never once flamed, trolled, or disrupted anything.

I am very curious how the mods will respond to this...

if they simply "LOCK" it, we obviously know who's telling the truth here.

[IrishMike]

Then my bad on the previous post. I personally haven't ever seen a mod ban a person for no reason. But I reserve judement, tis not my place.

[HorseArcher2]

no, i am specifically talking about THIS site...

that was made very clear in my post.

[bodidley]

It seems to me that this is an endangered thread...

While I certainly sypathize with your plight, and I think your ban might have been unfair, and I also think that you should have at least been better informed (if the ban doesn't inform the member how to behave then it's a useless measure) I have to question the wisdom of circumventing a ban and then announcing it. Why not lodge a complaint when the ban is up or PM a mod, or even an admin? It's even possible that the ban was a mistake, but ban circumvention is a far more serious issue.

[HorseArcher2]

because I was banned unjustifiably...

therefore I have taken it upon myself to set the rules, since at least one mod cannot do so with responsibility.

This was the only way to prove the point...I will not wait until AFTER an unjust ban is administered to deal with it...that's very defeating of the purpose.

[IrishMike]

Come on now lets be fair, I researched the topic and this post in this thread The Thread
was enough to get banned on, infact quite more than enough. You know use of cursing is very very discouraged outside of the backroom, and then even there its kept to a very low amount.

Not to mention the constant bashing of CA, which has been stated that it will not be tolerated, and the bump of that one post, which is aswell against the rules. I have found many offenses here.

[HorseArcher2]

Just like you did before (by not reading) you're missing the point.

One usage of the word "shit" (heard in every aspect of society, television, bars/pubs, books daily) is not enough to be banned for 2 days.

Please stop replying before understanding the whole situation...re-read my original post.

my god...

[IrishMike]

My first post was incorrect true, you got me on that, but I now totally understand what is going on.

[Simetrical]

As someone who banned BrutalDictatorship for six months from TWC (with, I might add, a clear reason sent to his e-mail address), I might be slightly biased, but I don't see anything offhand in his posts that would be enough to get him banned for even a little while. It's not really for me to judge bannings, of course, at least outside of TWC . . .

-Simetrical

[HorseArcher2]

you need FIVE (can you read? FIVE (5) warning points to be banned, I've read my own warning point sheet and it only amounts to 4...

2 of which have absolutely no reference to anything...they were just tallied on by a mod...

1 was given for using the word "retarded"

0 were given for the post that you claim is "more than enough to be banned on"

again...please re-read my first post on this thread, and stop replying without a clue, so you don't need to apologize for a second time.

Thank You (the main point of this thread is for a mod to respond, not another forum poster as they obviously cannot answer the question as to why a mod did what I'm accusing them of doing)

[HorseArcher2]

hey simetrical...thank you for the fairness.

and check your personal messages, I sent you one regarding a 6 month ban or whatever...

I will add that just as in here, I've been openly and freely posting on twcenter.net since you "banned" me as well...many people circumvent those bans as well...they're useless.

Not only that, but you've actually applauded many of my threads since you've "banned" me and agreed on many of my posts...

should tell you something shouldn't it?

back to this...as we both agree, I didn't do anything to deserve a ban here.

[Papewaio]

HorseArcher2-san,

I asked that your account of BrutalDictatorship be banned for direct violation of the Orgs rules:

Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. Posting of copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you or by The Guild, is discouraged. The Guild expects its patrons to remain civil even in the face of disagreements. Any kind of "flaming", slurs or insults adressed to an individual or a group is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times.

The exact issue is that you referred to others as Nazis. If you have an issue with the Ban the best place to post it is in the Watchtower forum. If you notice our Bans are not on people but accounts.

Regards,
Papewaio

[InsaneApache]

It's not my place to defend the mods, but I do have a couple of points...

If you have a problem with the mods then the thing to do is PM them, discussion on a thread is a clumsy way of dealing with it.

I'd also check out the forum rules if I were you.

This is in the wrong forum, try the watchtower.

Just my tuppenth worth...

EDIT: Pape beat me to it ....

[Colovion]

John Stewart has some 'harsh' words for anyone referencing Hitler or Nazis during debates.

Please enjoy, I did:

haha, clik

[Simetrical]

I've replied to your PM. The post where TosaInu banned you was here—apparently he stated his reasons in the thread, not in PM. Or maybe he PMd you too, I dunno.

-Simetrical

[HorseArcher2]

stating that totalwar.com uses "nazi tactics" and calling someone a "nazi" are two entirely separate things.

This is what some of you, especially mods, do on these forums...you take something that someone said, and you disagree with, then twist it around and distort it into meaning something that is, ironically, a "bannable offense".

Tell me how that is fair?

[HorseArcher2]

I have looked over the thread that you state got me banned....

it's exactly as I just stated in my previous post...i stated that totalwar.com uses "nazi tactics" to coverup any negative threads.

Unless you yourself work for CA I don't know why you would take offense to that statement...it's not as if it's untrue. We all know they pick and choose the posts that are allowed to be viewed in an attempt to paint the picture of a "happy community" when the community as a whole is anything but happy.


Again...i personally think that any mod who ignorantly just distorts the meaning of someone's text, because he has a fetish with CA and feels the need to defend them, should be banned also.

I will reiterate: Stating that the totalwar.com forums use "nazi tactics" is not in violation of the terms of service. What if I said "stalin tactics"? would that be a violation?

this is silly...

[Productivity]

It's obvious in your own world, you don't view it as fair.

Sadly for you, you are not in your own world. You are in a world controlled by TosaInu (The Guild) and he rules. There are no appeals to fairness here.

Personally I think TosaInu has got ir right. Calling someone a Nazi, or saying they use Nazi tactics are close enough and I think they both deserve harsh punishments.

EDIT: Stop trying to be a lawyer, all the tecnicalities in the world wont save you here, for two reasons. Firstly TosaInu has no obligation to listen to you, and secondly you are not very good at it. I'm not a lawyer, and I can see gross logical deficencies in your argument. I'd hate to think what some of the actual lawyers who come here would do to it.

[HorseArcher2]

I also want to clarify something for symetical: NOBODY, as I've stated repeatedly in my first post, contacted me about this ban. Nobody. Not only that but when I contacted THEM asking why I was banned, they refused to respond. I say refused because I've sent at least 3 requests for the reason. No replies.

Another thing: These forums use a point warning system to decide who is banned and who isn't. Mods don't just make those decisions based on personal discretion. I think this is a fantastic system, and when followed, avoids exactly this situation.

Explain to me what the point of having that system in place is, if mods are allowed to bypass it, cheat it, alter it and just flat out not use it?

If I was warned for saying "retarted" and "nazi tactics" that would only make 4 points of warning...it takes 5 to be banned for ONE day. I was banned for 2 days, only cited regarding one warning, and somehow am shown to have 10 warning points.

Again, what's the point of a system if a mod can lie and just call the number 4, the number 10?

As you see, this thread has NOT been locked, moved, or responded to by a mod responsible for it's creation.

[HorseArcher2]

It's obvious in your own world, you don't view it as fair.

Sadly for you, you are not in your own world. You are in a world controlled by TosaInu (The Guild) and he rules. There are no appeals to fairness here.

Personally I think TosaInu has got ir right. Calling someone a Nazi, or saying they use Nazi tactics are close enough and I think they both deserve harsh punishments.

EDIT: Stop trying to be a lawyer, all the tecnicalities in the world wont save you here, for two reasons. Firstly TosaInu has no obligation to listen to you, and secondly you are not very good at it. I'm not a lawyer, and I can see gross logical deficencies in your argument. I'd hate to think what some of the actual lawyers who come here would do to it.

One...you said lawyer, not me. I'm glad you admitted that you're not one though.

Two: my argument is very logical...yours isn't. Yours seems to be "ah, as long as it's not happening to me, I could care less about fairness."

Ok, then read my previous post...what's the point of the warning point system if it's not going to be followed, and when it's not...people like you state "ah I don't care".

[IrishMike]

Dude, don't take offense to this or anthing, this gonna be last post on the issue. But if you feel you have been scewed over so bad, and that its not fair, and you feel like you have done nothing wrong, then why come back to the guild if its that bad?

[Productivity]

One...you said lawyer, not me. I'm glad you admitted that you're not one though.

Two: my argument is very logical...yours isn't. Yours seems to be "ah, as long as it's not happening to me, I could care less about fairness."

Ok, then read my previous post...what's the point of the warning point system if it's not going to be followed, and when it's not...people like you state "ah I don't care".

I have an exam in half an hour, don't have time to do a thorough analysis of your argument, but if you want, I'll do it some itme later.

[HorseArcher2]

so if you're fired from your job because of your sexual preference the solution is to just "let it go"?

your point is invalid...

many of you refuse to acknowledge any of the valid points I've made...and I find that sad, as obviously this will continue to happen to other people.

What if I was a mod and just gave DGB a warning for having "homo..." written under his screen name? Then instead of giving him 2 points, which is what a language warning calls for, gave him 10 and supplied no reason?

You honestly think he'd just let it slide?

How would that be fairness?

[HorseArcher2]

I have an exam in half an hour, don't have time to do a thorough analysis of your argument, but if you want, I'll do it some itme later.

how convenient....

[Papewaio]

HorseArcher2-san,

Any kind of "flaming", slurs or insults adressed to an individual or a group is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times.

Some of the patrons at the Org work for CA. As such your posts violate the Orgs rules.

Warnings can be 0 to infinite, it depends on the history of the poster as much as the post.

Nor do moderators decide someone gets an instant ban. I requested that it be done, even when a patron flaunts the rules we will confer as a group.

Also the moderators are not on 24/7, we are patrons and volunteers. The onus is on the patron to be polite, Just like sport play the ball not the person. you should be moderating yourself and be a lot more polite to yourself and other patrons.

The site has 10 year olds to eighty year olds. This is not a pub or a sports locker room so it is not the right place for swearing.

I certainly haven't lied about why you have been banned. You can rant as much as you want at me, I don't mind if you want to call me any name under the sun. However attack another patron or group of patrons then expect to pay the consequences for your actions.

In short you can act how you want, banned or not banned there is a cost to your actions. Chill, be factual, backup your posts and be good to yourself by being polite particularly to the people who are upsetting you.

Regards,
Papewaio

[HorseArcher2]

HorseArcher2-san,


Some of the patrons at the Org work for CA. As such your posts violate the Orgs rules.

Warnings can be 0 to infinite, it depends on the history of the poster as much as the post.

Nor do moderators decide someone gets an instant ban. I requested that it be done, even when a patron flaunts the rules we will confer as a group.

Also the moderators are not on 24/7, we are patrons and volunteers. The onus is on the patron to be polite, Just like sport play the ball not the person. you should be moderating yourself and be a lot more polite to yourself and other patrons.

The site has 10 year olds to eighty year olds. This is not a pub or a sports locker room so it is not the right place for swearing.

I certainly haven't lied about why you have been banned. You can rant as much as you want at me, I don't mind if you want to call me any name under the sun. However attack another patron or group of patrons then expect to pay the consequences for your actions.

In short you can act how you want, banned or not banned there is a cost to your actions. Chill, be factual, backup your posts and be good to yourself by being polite particularly to the people who are upsetting you.

Regards,
Papewaio

This is propaganda...until you address the specific points I've laid out you're basically saying what I suspected was true: "yes, since some of us DO work for CA, we will not tolerate ANY slander regarding any facet of CA's practices"...

I think I'm beginning to understand...

do me a favor, spend more time fixing the loadgame/seige bug and less time worrying about 1 word out of 50 million on this forum.

[Papewaio]

This is propaganda...until you address the specific points I've laid out you're basically saying what I suspected was true: "yes, since some of us DO work for CA, we will not tolerate ANY slander regarding any facet of CA's practices"...

I think I'm beginning to understand...

do me a favor, spend more time fixing the loadgame/seige bug and less time worrying about 1 word out of 50 million on this forum.

HorseArcher2-san,

We do not work for CA.

When you signed up with the Org you accept the rules. The Org does not accept flaming at the Org. You called a group Nazis. You cannot call CA or any other group Nazis. Trolling is not acceptable here.

You are correct the Org will not accept slander on any group that is at the Org. The Org does accept thoughtful analysis, troubleshooting and documentation of problems.

Have a peachy day,
Papewaio

[HorseArcher2]

I simply cannot understand your stubborness on this issue...well, yeah actually I can lol...

i did not call anyone or any organization a nazi...

I said that CA "USES NAZI TACTICS ON THEIR FORUMS"

this is not the same thing as actually calling them nazi's...

[TosaInu]

I will reiterate: Stating that the totalwar.com forums use "nazi tactics" is not in violation of the terms of service. What if I said "stalin tactics"? would that be a violation?

Good enough, account terminated.

[RomanCavalry]

Good enough, account terminated.

that makes absolutely ZERO sense....

I'm glad this thread proved it's point, for the whole community to see.

ask a very reasonable question, expect an answer? nope, get an ignoramous to say "good enough, banned"