Mods lying/deleting threads for no reason

HorseArcher2 · 06-24-2005, 05:05

hey simetrical...thank you for the fairness.

and check your personal messages, I sent you one regarding a 6 month ban or whatever...

I will add that just as in here, I've been openly and freely posting on twcenter.net since you "banned" me as well...many people circumvent those bans as well...they're useless.

Not only that, but you've actually applauded many of my threads since you've "banned" me and agreed on many of my posts...

should tell you something shouldn't it?

back to this...as we both agree, I didn't do anything to deserve a ban here.

**Papewaio** · 06-24-2005, 05:19

HorseArcher2-san,

I asked that your account of BrutalDictatorship be banned for direct violation of the Orgs rules:

Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. Posting of copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you or by The Guild, is discouraged. The Guild expects its patrons to remain civil even in the face of disagreements. Any kind of "flaming", slurs or insults adressed to an individual or a group is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times.

The exact issue is that you referred to others as Nazis. If you have an issue with the Ban the best place to post it is in the Watchtower forum. If you notice our Bans are not on people but accounts.

Regards,
Papewaio

**Colovion** · 06-24-2005, 05:24

John Stewart has some 'harsh' words for anyone referencing Hitler or Nazis during debates.

Please enjoy, I did:

haha, clik

**Simetrical** · 06-24-2005, 05:50

I've replied to your PM. The post where TosaInu banned you was here—apparently he stated his reasons in the thread, not in PM. Or maybe he PMd you too, I dunno.

-Simetrical

HorseArcher2 · 06-24-2005, 06:09

stating that totalwar.com uses "nazi tactics" and calling someone a "nazi" are two entirely separate things.

This is what some of you, especially mods, do on these forums...you take something that someone said, and you disagree with, then twist it around and distort it into meaning something that is, ironically, a "bannable offense".

Tell me how that is fair?

HorseArcher2 · 06-24-2005, 06:17

I have looked over the thread that you state got me banned....

it's exactly as I just stated in my previous post...i stated that totalwar.com uses "nazi tactics" to coverup any negative threads.

Unless you yourself work for CA I don't know why you would take offense to that statement...it's not as if it's untrue. We all know they pick and choose the posts that are allowed to be viewed in an attempt to paint the picture of a "happy community" when the community as a whole is anything but happy.

Again...i personally think that any mod who ignorantly just distorts the meaning of someone's text, because he has a fetish with CA and feels the need to defend them, should be banned also.

I will reiterate: Stating that the totalwar.com forums use "nazi tactics" is not in violation of the terms of service. What if I said "stalin tactics"? would that be a violation?

this is silly...

HorseArcher2 · 06-24-2005, 06:22

I also want to clarify something for symetical: NOBODY, as I've stated repeatedly in my first post, contacted me about this ban. Nobody. Not only that but when I contacted THEM asking why I was banned, they refused to respond. I say refused because I've sent at least 3 requests for the reason. No replies.

Another thing: These forums use a point warning system to decide who is banned and who isn't. Mods don't just make those decisions based on personal discretion. I think this is a fantastic system, and when followed, avoids exactly this situation.

Explain to me what the point of having that system in place is, if mods are allowed to bypass it, cheat it, alter it and just flat out not use it?

If I was warned for saying "retarted" and "nazi tactics" that would only make 4 points of warning...it takes 5 to be banned for ONE day. I was banned for 2 days, only cited regarding one warning, and somehow am shown to have 10 warning points.

Again, what's the point of a system if a mod can lie and just call the number 4, the number 10?

As you see, this thread has NOT been locked, moved, or responded to by a mod responsible for it's creation.

**Papewaio** · 06-24-2005, 06:34

HorseArcher2-san,

Any kind of "flaming", slurs or insults adressed to an individual or a group is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times.

Some of the patrons at the Org work for CA. As such your posts violate the Orgs rules.

Warnings can be 0 to infinite, it depends on the history of the poster as much as the post.

Nor do moderators decide someone gets an instant ban. I requested that it be done, even when a patron flaunts the rules we will confer as a group.

Also the moderators are not on 24/7, we are patrons and volunteers. The onus is on the patron to be polite, Just like sport play the ball not the person. you should be moderating yourself and be a lot more polite to yourself and other patrons.

The site has 10 year olds to eighty year olds. This is not a pub or a sports locker room so it is not the right place for swearing.

I certainly haven't lied about why you have been banned. You can rant as much as you want at me, I don't mind if you want to call me any name under the sun. However attack another patron or group of patrons then expect to pay the consequences for your actions.

In short you can act how you want, banned or not banned there is a cost to your actions. Chill, be factual, backup your posts and be good to yourself by being polite particularly to the people who are upsetting you.

Regards,
Papewaio

**TosaInu** · 06-24-2005, 07:03

Originally Posted by HorseArcher2

I will reiterate: Stating that the totalwar.com forums use "nazi tactics" is not in violation of the terms of service. What if I said "stalin tactics"? would that be a violation?

Good enough, account terminated.

**Productivity** · 06-24-2005, 06:19

It's obvious in your own world, you don't view it as fair.

Sadly for you, you are not in your own world. You are in a world controlled by TosaInu (The Guild) and he rules. There are no appeals to fairness here.

Personally I think TosaInu has got ir right. Calling someone a Nazi, or saying they use Nazi tactics are close enough and I think they both deserve harsh punishments.

EDIT: Stop trying to be a lawyer, all the tecnicalities in the world wont save you here, for two reasons. Firstly TosaInu has no obligation to listen to you, and secondly you are not very good at it. I'm not a lawyer, and I can see gross logical deficencies in your argument. I'd hate to think what some of the actual lawyers who come here would do to it.

HorseArcher2 · 06-24-2005, 06:24

Originally Posted by dgb

It's obvious in your own world, you don't view it as fair.

Sadly for you, you are not in your own world. You are in a world controlled by TosaInu (The Guild) and he rules. There are no appeals to fairness here.

Personally I think TosaInu has got ir right. Calling someone a Nazi, or saying they use Nazi tactics are close enough and I think they both deserve harsh punishments.

EDIT: Stop trying to be a lawyer, all the tecnicalities in the world wont save you here, for two reasons. Firstly TosaInu has no obligation to listen to you, and secondly you are not very good at it. I'm not a lawyer, and I can see gross logical deficencies in your argument. I'd hate to think what some of the actual lawyers who come here would do to it.

One...you said lawyer, not me. I'm glad you admitted that you're not one though.

Two: my argument is very logical...yours isn't. Yours seems to be "ah, as long as it's not happening to me, I could care less about fairness."

Ok, then read my previous post...what's the point of the warning point system if it's not going to be followed, and when it's not...people like you state "ah I don't care".

**InsaneApache** · 06-24-2005, 05:24

It's not my place to defend the mods, but I do have a couple of points...

If you have a problem with the mods then the thing to do is PM them, discussion on a thread is a clumsy way of dealing with it.

I'd also check out the forum rules if I were you.

This is in the wrong forum, try the watchtower.

Just my tuppenth worth...

EDIT: Pape beat me to it ....