Dems Say Rove Should Apologize or Resign

**Proletariat** · 06-24-2005, 17:41

Let's try and not use a double standard when politicians we agree with say moronic things.

**Red Harvest** · 06-24-2005, 18:16

Originally Posted by Proletariat

Let's try and not use a double standard when politicians we agree with say moronic things.

Very nice to hear, intellectual honesty.

The really unfortunate thing is that too many conservatives have the whole conservative/not conservative thing defined as good/evil. Taking it to extremes quite a few seem to believe that you can't be a "real christian" if you are not a conservative. And by their definition, not being a conservative = liberal = communist = terrorist. It is crap. It is divisive. Above all it is stupid. It is some sort of very scary religious crusade.

**t1master** · 06-24-2005, 18:21

political soap opera drama at it's finest, or is it at it's worse?

seriously there are much much better things for the congress to be doing other than demanding apolgies for slights and offensive statements...

christ the congress is about as crap as the reality tv shows that come on after the crap nightly news...

**Tribesman** · 06-24-2005, 18:45

Moderation and Restraint do not = Therapy and Understanding .
He misrepresented their words , so apologise . Then again he is involved in politics so misrepresentation is part of the job .

the Senate voted 98-0 and the House voted 420-1 for a resolution authorizing Bush to use "all necessary and appropriate force" against those responsible for the terrorism.

And perhaps youve missed the fact that theve been backing away from it ever since .
And perhaps you missed the fact that they have been backing away from it ever since they started using force against those who were not responsible for the terrorism .

**Productivity** · 06-24-2005, 18:46

Looking from the outside in, Rove's comments do seem out of line. When making a comment as inflammatory as that, you better be sure that those you are targeting actually fall within the comment. Here he has said that what could be defined as 50% off the US population beleive that. This I find difficult to beleive.

I've nothing against calling a spade a spade, but don't then say multitudes of people are carrying that spade when they are not.

**Red Harvest** · 06-24-2005, 19:44

Originally Posted by dgb

Looking from the outside in, Rove's comments do seem out of line. When making a comment as inflammatory as that, you better be sure that those you are targeting actually fall within the comment. Here he has said that what could be defined as 50% off the US population beleive that. This I find difficult to beleive.

I've nothing against calling a spade a spade, but don't then say multitudes of people are carrying that spade when they are not.

Exactly. I will definitely call a spade a spade and expect the same from others. The idea that the 48% of us who voted the other way are a bunch of liberals, commies, and fairies makes my blood boil.

As it is, I don't see any point in demanding an apology (or resignation) out of a neanderthal like Rove. He actually believes that garbage, as does the current occupant of the Oval office. This shines unwanted light on the unfortunate personality trait of a president who sees every action he takes as "righteous" and never even considers any others' views. When those who oppose anything you want automatically are labelled as "evil" it makes rational thought quite challenging. This is reflected in his arrogance, and in the inability to admit making any mistakes. A righteous president could never make a mistake. (Hmmm...that would make him like royalty of old...hail the king, borne of the royal blood.)

**PanzerJaeger** · 06-24-2005, 20:33

Here he has said that what could be defined as 50% off the US population beleive that. This I find difficult to beleive

Remember, he said liberals, not democrats. 50% of America is not liberal.. i wouldnt even go so far as to say 25%.

If he said democrats, he should take those comments back, but he spoke the exact truth about liberals - good for him.

**Don Corleone** · 06-24-2005, 20:36

Well, like I said PJ, we've blurred the line on what is a liberal as much as anybody. Like I said, I've heard Tom Ridge, Tommy Thomson and Pete Domenici described as liberals on different occassions. I don't think that's who Rove had in mind when he made that crack, but that's my point. He should have defined his target audience better.

The guy who's filling in for Rush today said Rove was doing a 'pied piper' trick with this. He was trying to lure Hillary, Joe Biden and others out of their 'moderate' costume. If that's the case, he burnt a lot of political capital for something most people already know.

**Proletariat** · 06-25-2005, 02:27

Originally Posted by Red Harvest

Exactly. I will definitely call a spade a spade and expect the same from others. The idea that the 48% of us who voted the other way are a bunch of liberals, commies, and fairies makes my blood boil.

After saying this?

Originally Posted by Red Harvest

Taking it to extremes quite a few seem to believe that you can't be a "real christian" if you are not a conservative. And by their definition, not being a conservative = liberal = communist = terrorist. It is crap. It is divisive. Above all it is stupid. It is some sort of very scary religious crusade.

Sure, you added the 'taking it to extremes' bit, but the two thoughts don't seem very dissimilar to me.

Anyhow, I've often doubted that Rove is as brilliant as people say.
I'll stop now. This is just smart politics. People are acting as if this is an off-hand, individual comment. Cmon...4 years down the line he mentions this?

Bush's poll numbers are going down. He will be giving a televised speech next week. Obviously this is the turf on which Rove wants to fight: are you for or with the president who is tough on terror. What he understands is that so long as the debate is on that topic it helps his side. Insofar as it goes off to other issues, his side may lose.

It's that simple. Yep, the guy is brilliant.

Or maybe I'm just buzzed. I had an extra glass of chianti with dinner tonight.