I want to here some of your opinions on weather the former CCCP (USSR) was an evil empire or was it a legitamate country?
I personally thing the communist country was crap, but I'm eager to hear what others think.
Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
I want to here some of your opinions on weather the former CCCP (USSR) was an evil empire or was it a legitamate country?
I personally thing the communist country was crap, but I'm eager to hear what others think.
Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
What is this evil you speak of?
Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
Mass murder and opperssion of their citizens is what i speak of.Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
What is this evil you speak of?
Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
Hmmm...... were gonna have to be careful with this one being in the Monastery.
But overall I think they did more evil things than good. While communism isn't evil, some of their policies were. So yup, I'd say they were an evil empire, maybe not the worst around, but not the best.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
This is academic. The USSR was illegitimate by definition. It slaughtered tens of millions of its own people and oppressed millions of others. It was a dark force.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
I agree that they did some criminal things, sometimes through negligence and sometimes through their own will to survive. I wouldn't call any of it evil.
Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
I voted for evil because it was most definitely that, but it was also a legitimate country. Why can't it be both?
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Keep in mind that Mr. Iosif Vissarionovici Stalin killed 36 million people officially.... Many more were killed unoficially....
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Legitimacy is a category whose meaning is tied up with notions of justice. Justice is not only concerned with right judgment, but also the right to governance. Governance can only be justified by and through popular sovereignty. A totalitarian regime lacks popular consent. It is therefore illegitimate and has no rights to govern. The USSR was totalitarian and thus illegitimate.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
Of course that was evel "empire" - King of Serbs, Croats and Slovens Alexander I (and later king of Yugoslavia) never establish diplomatic contact with Soviets. He even maintined ambassador in Belgrade from Russian Empire. He rejected to accept Soviet ambassador and he opened borders for Russian refugees.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
OF COURSE !!!!
Millions of people dead - often starved to death, occupation of other countries, agressive and criminal foreign policy, destruction of cultural heritage of other countries and its own, enourmous destruction of nature in SU and above - literally everything including intentional annihilation of graveyards according to atheist policy of this rotten cancer-state.
One of the greatest mistakes in human history - along with the Third Reich, but it lasted longer and even some fools believe it was 'progress'...
IT WAS THE ULTIMATE EVIL !
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I'm fairly sure the world would be much better now if the bolcheviks got their asses kicked in the late 10's.
And it was not a legitimate country on a legal basis, since it has been establish through violence and repression against its own people.
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bad leadership
evil leadership even
but not an evil empire, that's just ridiculous
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The leadership was at the beginning cruel and wanted to propogate communism to the entire world (Lenin would have been as bad as Stalin had he lived long enough). Yet the whole post-war "the commies are out to get you" was just plain nonsense.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
I voted yes but I feel that the evil leaders of the Soviet Union are the ones that make the Soviet Union an evil empire.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
an evil empire would be on world domanation and would bring back slavery
luckily they didn't but they killed millions of there own!!
which means it was an evil nation...not an empire
Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
Russia/USSR was an Empire. It's made of many, many countries. Chechnya is current example of another trying to break off.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
Communism is evil. It's simple really.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
The soviet union was made up of "republics" eg Ukraine and Azerbajan
The Russian federation is made up of Russia. Chechnya is part of the federation that wants to leave. although Russia is frightningly more and more like a dictatorship.
I would count The soviet union as an evil empire. The Gulags, Great purges and terror. I have heard some reports that if people werent executed under stalin the Population would be double what it is today.
I would also count the Peoples "Republic" of China an evil empire.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
Ask some eastern Europeans if the USSR was an empire or just a nation.
Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
I voted no, and everyone knows why.
Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
It's just a nation.
Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
Greece was never allied to the Soviet Union though. I think he means Hungary, Czechoslovakia or Poland as well as Romania and Bulgaria and Albania although Yugoslavia was different.
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Is Usa evil? It have killed millions of indians and have stolen their lands. Is Spain evil? It have killed even more indians than Usa. Is Germany evi?...
I'am trying to say that nations aren't persons, they can't be evil. Only peoples can.
Stalin was evil, there is no daubs about that. But you can't blame whole Ussr for his murders.
So for the most of time Ussr wasn't evil.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
the losing side is evil
the winning side is righteous
history repeats itself that way everytime
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The Leaders, yes, the people, no. Stalin had 3 of my German family members excecuted, 2 before the war, 1 after. The 1 after was a civilian too.
Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
I couldnt say from any country is it good or evil.Its just matter what benefits the purposes of that country.
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For all who vote 'no' - so was Nazi Germany a good empire as well ?
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In 1940´s .The Dictatorical leaders of both Nazi Germany and Soviet Union were madmen but i could not blame every single citicen of those countries from beeing evil.
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Re: Soviet Union... an Evil Empire?
I do not think the soviet empire was evil.
It is not a question of ideology, you just need to read Dostoyevsky or Tolstoi, for example, to find the same elements that were used later by the soviets in the times of the tsars.
Considering soviet union as evil upon those bases would mean considering ancient russia as evil : the bases were the same.
Stalin was a paranoid dictator without scruple(?), Lenin or Trotsky were ready to submit and sacrifice anyone and anything to their personnal objectives so it is different for them, but i do not see soviet union as something evil.
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