Anti-Semitism in Canada

[caesar44]

Watchman,

Ah yes, Mr. Prutschi. He was in Montreal last winter giving a talk and he made it very, very clear that not only is anti-Zionism the same an anti-Semitism, but any and all criticisms of Israeli policy is nothing but a convenient smokescreen to hide the speakers anti-Semitism.

This guy is a real SOB. He is the Joseph McCarthy of the Israeli lobby. If you speak, he will accuse. And he's very good at it. He is a blackmailing, blacklisting, SOB and should be countered at every step. The Montreal Gazette, our major newspaper, printed a letter I wrote after this bonehead came to town. I was happy to take a piece out of him. The basic idea was that we are not sheep to be herded by his threats. And that's all Mr. Prutschi has - threats.

"If you speak I will accuse."

My dearest Mr. Putschi: shove it!

1. "This guy is a real SOB"
2. He is ... SOB"
3. "shove it!"

Aha , forum rules ? nehhh
Please continue

[Beirut]

1. "This guy is a real SOB"
2. He is ... SOB"
3. "shove it!"

Aha , forum rules ? nehhh
Please continue

As Mr. Prutschi is one of us, and holds a very important position in a Canadian public organization, the way I see it I'm allowed to stick it to him.

Likewise, as Ariel Sharon is one of your guys, and a public figure, you also have the right to call him an SOB and tell him to shove it.

Although my language could use a tad more eloquence I'm sure, why do you object about what I say concerning Mr. Prutschi? I was postively friendly compared to what... others (cough), have written in these threads in the last day or two. There was some mighty nasty name calling by... others (cough), and I think I have done well not to sink to... their, (cough-hack-wheeze) level.

[caesar44]

As Mr. Prutschi is one of us, and holds a very important position in a Canadian public organization, the way I see it I'm allowed to stick it to him.

Likewise, as Ariel Sharon is one of your guys, and a public figure, you also have the right to call him an SOB and tell him to shove it.

Although my language could use a tad more eloquence I'm sure, why do you object about what I say concerning Mr. Prutschi? I was postively friendly compared to what... others (cough), have written in these threads in the last day or two. There was some mighty nasty name calling by... others (cough), and I think I have done well not to sink to... their, (cough-hack-wheeze) level.

So , if someone makes an argument that you don't like to hear , he is an SOB ? there is a big difference between arguments and wicked accusations .
If someone is referring to all Canadians as murders , then he is a SOB , but if someone is just talking about some bad Canadians who attacked some Jews , then relate to what he says - we are not kids here , ah ?

[Beirut]

So , if someone makes an argument that you don't like to hear , he is an SOB ? there is a big difference between arguments and wicked accusations .
If someone is referring to all Canadians as murders , then he is a SOB , but if someone is just talking about some bad Canadians who attacked some Jews , then relate to what he says - we are not kids here , ah ?

I am the most vocal proponent of freedom of speech you will ever meet. I would never deny anyone the right to speak their mind. I would never deny Mr. Prutschi the right to say what he has to say.

But this freedom of expression extends to myself as well. And while Mr. Prutschi has every right to state his views, I have every right to tell him how wrong he is and what an SOB he is. The reason I call him an SOB is because he is trying to stop others from speaking. He does not allow debate or dissent. If someone disagrees with him, he cries out with accusations of racism and tries to frighten them into silence. That cannot be allowed.

If someone wants Mr. Prutschi to give a talk, or Ariel Sharon, or the leaders of the settlers, or anyone, I don't have any problem with it at all. But that means the other side has to shut up if we call on people who have different views to speak their minds. Freedom of expression is for everyone, especially your worst enemy, otherwise it is worth nothing at all.

[PanzerJaeger]

Yadda yadda. I notice you failed to provide any concrete examples of where exactly these substantial groups of people who've arrived at this different conclusion reside.

I listed four countries where a significant part of the population fall on the Israeli side of things.

As for the differences between the US and Euro medias in this context, there's the little fact that to someone of your political orientation and used to the sort of newsfeed most American media outlets give of Israel, the markedly more even Euro news no doubt appear as blatantly pro-Palestine.

Thats such a weak statement. I could just as easily say that because of your political orientation and the fact that you are used to European media, American news seems blatantly pro-Israel. The fact is that Ive been exposed to both media, and European news is no less biased than American.

While I'm generally wary of using the term in the context of media and news, in this case I would actually dare claim that on the whole European news give a picture of things down there that is markedly closer to that ever-nebulous "truth" than their American colleagues.

Opinion really doesnt mean anything here... so Ill take a card from your deck. Yadda, yadda.

Which I daresay has more than little to do with the way the US keeps pumping ridiculous amounts of monetary, military and political aid to Israel and duly has a certain interest in, shall we say, explaining certain things for the best and suffering from a certain kind of selective blindness in the interests of self-perception...

Hey! Your bias is hanging out for everyone to see! Put that thing away..

[caesar44]

I am the most vocal proponent of freedom of speech you will ever meet. I would never deny anyone the right to speak their mind. I would never deny Mr. Prutschi the right to say what he has to say.

But this freedom of expression extends to myself as well. And while Mr. Prutschi has every right to state his views, I have every right to tell him how wrong he is and what an SOB he is. The reason I call him an SOB is because he is trying to stop others from speaking. He does not allow debate or dissent. If someone disagrees with him, he cries out with accusations of racism and tries to frighten them into silence. That cannot be allowed.

If someone wants Mr. Prutschi to give a talk, or Ariel Sharon, or the leaders of the settlers, or anyone, I don't have any problem with it at all. But that means the other side has to shut up if we call on people who have different views to speak their minds. Freedom of expression is for everyone, especially your worst enemy, otherwise it is worth nothing at all.

So , we have the same ideas about what is a democracy , well , it is something...


"Democracy means , to control through debates , but , it is useful only if you can make people to stop talking..." (Clement Richrad Attlee 1st earl attlee , British prime minister 1945 - 1951)