Israeli soldier found guilty of manslaughter

[English assassin]

Credit where is is due, maybe some justice will be done:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4625355.stm

With one young man dead and another (presumably) looking at a long sentence, this is no time to celebrate. Nevertheless I admit I thought the Isrealis would fudge this and (subject to the sentence) they deserve credit for not doing so.

The outstanding question still has to be, was the sniper really the only person to blame here? Or has he been hung out to dry to hide those higher up who create the sort of climate where this happens.

[Beirut]

Imagine being told you can't shoot anyone you want.

The nerve!

[monkian]

Imagine being told you can't shoot anyone you want.

The nerve!

Oi !

[Crazed Rabbit]

Isn't this the case where it was in dispute as to whether the man who got shot was escorting children or shooting at Israelis? Perhaps he was fed to the lions.

Crazed Rabbit

[PanzerJaeger]

Blah blah blah... poor Palestinians.. blah blah blah... evil Jews..

[Tribesman]

Isn't this the case where it was in dispute as to whether the man who got shot was escorting children or shooting at Israelis?
Yep thats the one , they were insisting that he was a gunman wearing camouflage clothing attacking Israeli soldiers , and continued to insist that that was the case for many months , even after being in possession of all the TV footage and photographs that showed the incident .

[Tribesman]

Blah blah blah... poor Palestinians.. blah blah blah... evil Jews..

Yes Panzer , the shooting victim was British and the convicted soldier is not Jewish

[Beirut]

Blah blah blah... poor Palestinians.. blah blah blah... evil Jews..

Are you implying with your eloquent statement that shooting Palestinians (and Britons and...) should be allowed and no complaints should be lodged if the shooter is Jewish?

What about Americans? If an Iraqi sniper drops a Yank, are you prepared to keep your words as eloquent when we paraphrase you and say "Blah blah blah... poor Americans.. blah blah blah... evil Muslims..."

[Tribesman]

Are you implying with your eloquent statement that shooting Palestinians (and Britons and...) should be allowed and no complaints should be lodged if the shooter is Jewish?

Well the defendant did complain during the trial that he was just being made a scapegoat , and that none of all this fuss would have occured if it was only a Palestinian that he had killed .

[Beirut]

Ah yes, the useful Palestinians - the poster children for dispossable human beings.

[PanzerJaeger]

Are you implying with your eloquent statement that shooting Palestinians (and Britons and...) should be allowed and no complaints should be lodged if the shooter is Jewish?

Im simply summarizing how these threads usually go.

Someone posts something that sheds a negative light against Israel and the peanut gallery chimes in to reinforce the general consensus.

[Beirut]

Well if it is the general consensus that an Israeli soldier did something wrong... then maybe an Israeli soldier did do something wrong and we peanuts may chime at our leisure.

Nes ce pas?

[Husar]

Well, every thread with the word "Israel" in it seems to go the same way.
The backroom could also be renamed to "Conservatives vs Liberals Arena"(with a few rather neutral people in between).

If the Palestinians should get their land back, shouldn´t we(Germany) get Prussia back as well?
I think the evil polish people took it from us with the help of imperialist Russia and the US after WW2 and now they own our land, if they won´t give it back I see no other way than going to strap some explosives.....*blablablabla*
Yes, we started the war, but from what I know the Palestinians started the war on Israel as well. There have been so many occupations in history that I think the world shouldn´t focus on reversing them, but rather try to prevent any further occupations.

Just my 2 (Euro-)cents

[Don Corleone]

Well, Beirut, get ready for a shock... as the man was found guilty buy a jury of his peers, I have to acknowledge he got what he had coming to him. There is such a thing as murder in a war zone, and it would appear this gent just discovered that.

By the way, Beirut, he might not be the desired floggee you wanted... he's actually an arab who had joined the IDF.

And actually, PJ, you might want to hold off on defending this particular guy. He took a headshot from an observation tower at a guy who was escorting a bunch of children. After the fact, he suborned perjury from his fellow soldiers and was convicted of this, as well as obstruction of justice, in addition to the manslaughter charge. Not real defensible...

[PanzerJaeger]

By Don:

And actually, PJ, you might want to hold off on defending this particular guy. He took a headshot from an observation tower at a guy who was escorting a bunch of children. After the fact, he suborned perjury from his fellow soldiers and was convicted of this, as well as obstruction of justice, in addition to the manslaughter charge. Not real defensible...

Oh im not. I was just reflecting in my own way on how these threads are often used for the anti- israelis to vent their rage toward the Jewish state.

By Husar

If the Palestinians should get their land back, shouldn´t we(Germany) get Prussia back as well?

Yes.

[Beirut]

By the way, Beirut, he might not be the desired floggee you wanted... he's actually an arab who had joined the IDF.

I don't care if he's purple with polka dots and Arafat's second cousin - he shot an innocent man in the head and now he's going to do time for it.

Seems right to me.

[bmolsson]

I trust in the Israeli justice system. Despite the constant attacks Israel should have all respects for trying and succeed with a lot of what we expect from a democratic country with respect for human rights.

[Crazed Rabbit]

If the palestinians get any part of palestine, shouldn't the brits be thrown out of Ireland altogether? They've done much worse at times in their occupation of Ireland.

Crazed Rabbit

[Samurai Waki]

The brits have done relatively bad trying to occupy anywhere with a large native population(with the exception of India). Of course I think, any nation does pretty bad while trying to occupy a land with a large native population. I think the only country that ever did any good at it was the USSR, and this was due to the impending threat of genocide or nuclear holocaust if sed nation succeded.

[Papewaio]

Relatively bad compared to whom?

The British Empire held 1/4 of the Earth, I cannot think of anyone who did better at holding other countries. Not that colonialism is a good thing, but it is a very one-eyed arguement to say that they did relatively bad.

There is quite a few (British) Commonwealth countries.

[English assassin]

If the palestinians get any part of palestine, shouldn't the brits be thrown out of Ireland altogether? They've done much worse at times in their occupation of Ireland.

OT but I'll bite. As soon as a majority of the people living in Northern ireland wish to be part of the Republic and not part of the UK then I confidently predict that is what will happen. At the moment that is not the case but if the demographics go as they are it will be at some point in the future.

I'm sort of regretting saying Isreal deserved credit for this case, since (1) I found out last night that the longest sentence so far handed down in the 2 manslaughter convictions there have been in the IDF to date (contrast approximately 500 children killed) is 20 months and (2) it didn't stop the "Isreal is never wrong, you all hate jews" crowd anyway. (Did we REALLY get someone posting that its not possible to criticise Isreal without criticising "jews" in another thread? Scary, scary stuff.)

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005...srlpa11148.htm

Don't bother clicking the links, no one is going to let facts change their mind...

[Fragony]

Well well well, I am surprised. I saw his death on TV, there is no way they could have seen what they were shooting at, maybe there is some justice after all.

[Tribesman]

maybe there is some justice after all.
Yes its amazing , if you are a well off foriegn family with legal training that is willing to conduct your own investigation , present your evidence to the Isreali government , your own governmnet (and get them to apply pressure) and the worlds media , then you can in the end obtain some sort of justice .

[Samurai Waki]

Relatively bad compared to whom?

The British Empire held 1/4 of the Earth, I cannot think of anyone who did better at holding other countries. Not that colonialism is a good thing, but it is a very one-eyed arguement to say that they did relatively bad.

There is quite a few (British) Commonwealth countries.

Okay, I withdraw my original statement, but they didn't do a spectacular job either... of course holding 1/4th of the Earth is awefully hard. I mean, the Boer War, the relative genocide of the Aborigines, suppressing uprisings in Burma and Malaysia with often times brutal means (like starving citizens until they gave into British demands) they did have their shining moments too, especially with Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, but this is largely because the populations within those countries were largely of British Origin (some natives albeit not a large factor). India is a toss up, they were both militarily and tactically superior to their Indian Counter Parts, and while there were certainly portions within the Indian populace that were loyal, many were not. I think the Roman Empire did the best with occupation personally, British maybe 2nd.

I live in a British Commonwealth Benefactor Nation, we have our own individual parliament and laws, but we are still militarily, and economically reliant on the UK, this actually makes us a part of the UK much like Wales or Scotland. The Caymans were given the choice by the UK to succeed in 1964 but many of the natives and people living here decided (and with good reason) against it. So it's nothing personal, just an observation.

[caesar44]

Blah blah blah... poor Palestinians.. blah blah blah... evil Jews..

By the way , the soldier is not a jew , he is an Arab who volunteered to the IDF.... what an irony

[Ja'chyra]

Woah, your prejudice is showing again PJ.

That was quite the flippant comment.

[Productivity]

By the way , the soldier is not a jew , he is an Arab who volunteered to the IDF.... what an irony

I beleive this was covered half a thread ago...

Hint: Post #16

[caesar44]

[QUOTE=PanzerJager]



Oh im not. I was just reflecting in my own way on how these threads are often used for the anti- israelis to vent their rage toward the Jewish state.



Agreed !!!
So much truth in so few words !

[caesar44]

I beleive this was covered half a thread ago...

Hint: Post #16

so what ? you should tell the truth as long as you can , and again , ha was an Arab (just a fact nothing more , all natinons have murderes ot their own)

[Franconicus]

Im simply summarizing how these threads usually go.

No, this is how the threads usually go: Someone has a topic he wants to talk about, Panzer makes a comment and the rest of the time the discussion is about Panzer's quote. That is annoying